Single-pane mode

[PeterH]

...sometimes I'm a bit surprised about these problems with the new layout. Though I understand, that some prefer it...

But ok - what about mixing this with a problem designing a dual-tree interface? As for this we would have 2 panes, each with tree and list. And for these I think it would be fine, if each pane would have it's tabs above list *and* tree. (Else room for tabs would even get smaller.)
In this case each pane would have a layout just as wished here for single-pane?

(And to say again: I'm one of those looking forward for dual tree!)

[Bahamut]

TOOLBAR | TAB TAB TAB...
TREE | LIST

Yes. With so few items in the toolbar, it's a magnificent layout.

[Uagadugu]

I decided to try out this v8.1 after reading all this mellifluous praise.
Tabs are restricted to above the file pane as if it is unrelated to the tree, yet clicking on a tab changes the focus of the tree?
Selecting dual pane gives me one ginormous tree pane and two file panes with independently sized tabs, which looks clumsy and amateurish.
This is what you people were arguing so strongly for?
This is clearly a work-in-progress, an unfinished beta that needs much more polish than even I surmised!
In fact I don't even know if polish is enough at this stage; what a waste of time to even take a look at this!
Sorry admin; I thought I didn't expect much, but what I found was far less than I even anticipated.

Regards,
U.

[avsfan]

I decided to try out this v8.1 after reading all this mellifluous praise.
Tabs are restricted to above the file pane as if it is unrelated to the tree, yet clicking on a tab changes the focus of the tree?

I guess I don't see the big issue here -- maybe it's the way I work, but I only use the tree for selecting a different path -- I think I hardly ever even notice what's focused in the tree since I use the tab header and/or address bar to see the current path...

Selecting dual pane gives me one ginormous tree pane and two file panes with independently sized tabs, which looks clumsy and amateurish.

I work almost exclusively in single-pane, but when I switch to dual-pane, I don't find the look problematic at all...

However, I don't understand your complaint about the ginormous tree when you select dual pane... When I switch to dual-pane, my tree and catalog don't change -- only my list view switches to have 2 panels (one above the other)... though perhaps you're wishing for dual trees instead of one large tree (a wish I would support as well, though the single tree is not too bad for me...)

If I switch to a vertical divider, The different width of tabs looks a bit unusual, but nothing that bothers me (though perhaps that's what you didn't like about it).

This is what you people were arguing so strongly for?
This is clearly a work-in-progress, an unfinished beta that needs much more polish than even I surmised!
In fact I don't even know if polish is enough at this stage; what a waste of time to even take a look at this!
Sorry admin; I thought I didn't expect much, but what I found was far less than I even anticipated.

I'm sure you realize that these statements are rather inflammatory (which I found somewhat surprising -- your previous statements were much more fact-based rather than blatant attacks...)

I guess I don't see what your issues are -- I use XY to help me get things done faster, and it works very well for me in that respect. For me, the visual layout and such works pretty well, and while I'd love things like dockable toolbars, etc, I can certainly live with it as it is for now...

However, personal preferences can make a huge difference -- and there definitely seem to be issues that you feel are not resolvable (though I don't remember seeing any actual statements as to exactly what it is that you'd like to see different).

Good luck anyway!

andy

[j_c_hallgren]

I decided to try out this v8.1 after reading all this mellifluous praise.

And you thought it would be that different?
Did you read the change log? You must not have, as there are no major SP/DP changes listed since v8.00 which is what you were criticizing before.

Tabs are restricted to above the file pane as if it is unrelated to the tree, yet clicking on a tab changes the focus of the tree?

And other products look/work very similar...for ex, x2, so why pick on XY? I know...you're just here to troll, right?

Selecting dual pane gives me one ginormous tree pane and two file panes with independently sized tabs, which looks clumsy and amateurish.

Looks much better than a nbr of competing products, some of which are a total mess...so much so that I can't see why ANYONE would ever use them, like this one for ex:http://www.ghisler.com/picture.htm...and very similar to x2's layout which I don't see you picking on for comparison.

This is what you people were arguing so strongly for?
This is clearly a work-in-progress, an unfinished beta that needs much more polish than even I surmised!

You said just about the same thing about a week ago repeatedly...and you also said you were leaving for a year...obviously you didn't do so!

In fact I don't even know if polish is enough at this stage; what a waste of time to even take a look at this!

So then why did you look? Just to be more of a troll than before?

Sorry admin; I thought I didn't expect much, but what I found was far less than I even anticipated.

So if you "didn't expect much", then why are you here? There are plenty of alternative products that I'm sure you can find way more to criticize on than XY, so choose one or more of them and go harass their forums instead...when you have something besides this repeated negativity to say, then return but until then, please refrain from posting here with this attitude, ok? Don has the authority to make the real decision but that's my opinion and I highly suspect a nbr of the forum regulars share it as well.

I'm almost always welcoming to new users here, and have been complimented numerous times for my friendly attitude but your manner of posting, especially your recent diatribes, isn't in keeping with the generally accepted style here...but you already know that.

[admin]

I took Uagadugu out. I've nothing against critique (otherwise I would not have openend a forum) but these kind of contributions just suck energy out of the forum.

[j_c_hallgren]

I took Uagadugu out. I've nothing against critique (otherwise I would not have openend a forum) but these kind of contributions just suck energy out of the forum.

THANK YOU!
Believe me, I had tried be as kind as I could with him but this constant berating against you and XY (and us) was more than I could put up with...I'm not against critque either but I try to make it positive as I can...anyway, hope you didn't object to my attitude towards him, but I think it more than justified...

[zer0]

Something that I was quite indifferent to when Vista first launched I have now come to like quite a lot, and that's the behaviour of more and more programs hiding the menu bar. Many windows native apps and Safari 4) in Vista and Windows 7 hide the menu bar to have it appear when you press ALT. Chrome simply has all the "menus" it need in two toolbar buttons. Both of these I like a lot as a way of getting rid of some wasted space. I've even put all of my menus into a toolbar button and hidden the MB in Firefox with the TinyMenu extension.

FWIW I like having the catalogue/tree the full height and almost never use the buttons, so don't lose the current layout either thanks

I completely agree here. These days, I come across more and more applications that allow hiding of Menu Bar: Windows Explorer, Internet Explorer, Firefox, Windows Live Mail, the list goes on. Therefore, I'd also like to wish for an option to hide it -- so many Menu bar options have CKS configured for them and others are configurable too, a fair number are "Set it and Forget it" kind of menus. In addition we have a plethora of CTBs that can contain multiple scripts. But just in case Menu Bar does need to come back a simple tap of "Alt" will revive it. I don't think it's just about saving a few pixels -- it's about streamlining the interface, having fewer unwanted components and maximising functionality.

I believe that there is a strong case for this feature, even if it's just a tweak, and it would be enlightening to hear feedback

[Bahamut]

After several months and several major releases, I'm wondering what happened with this. I have been watching for this in new releases, but I haven't seen any developments.

[admin]

After several months and several major releases, I'm wondering what happened with this. I have been watching for this in new releases, but I haven't seen any developments.

It was added in v8.20.0010!

Code: Select all

v8.20.0010 - 2009-08-17 15:39
    + Added tweak to layout the top bars as it was possible before Dual 
      Pane was introduced. Note that this layout is only applied in 
      Single Pane Mode. However, you can toggle panes while using the SP 
      layout, so can enjoy advantages of both worlds.
        [General]
        LayoutSP=0
      Possible values:
        0 = Same as Dual Pane (= tweak is OFF)
        1 = [Address Bar] [Toolbar & Tabs]
        2 = [Address Bar] [Tabs & Toolbar]
        3 = [Toolbar & Address Bar] [Tabs]
        4 = [Address Bar & Toolbar] [Tabs]

[arirish]

These days, I come across more and more applications that allow hiding of Menu Bar: Windows Explorer, Internet Explorer, Firefox, Windows Live Mail, the list goes on. Therefore, I'd also like to wish for an option to hide it -- so many Menu bar options have CKS configured for them and others are configurable too, a fair number are "Set it and Forget it" kind of menus. In addition we have a plethora of CTBs that can contain multiple scripts. But just in case Menu Bar does need to come back a simple tap of "Alt" will revive it. I don't think it's just about saving a few pixels -- it's about streamlining the interface, having fewer unwanted components and maximising functionality.

I believe that there is a strong case for this feature, even if it's just a tweak, and it would be enlightening to hear feedback

After reading this thread, I alt+tabbed over to XYplorer and skimmed over the menus, and very quickly realised that the last time I used any of them at all was to switch over to DP (a setting which I thought I'd hate, but have come to find indispensable!). I therefore agree that the ability to hide the menubar would be extremely handy, or even to compile all the menus into one toolbar button and do away with the menubar that way (all optional of course).

It's far from the top of my list of XYplorer 'wishes', but that extra vertical space would make one more catalog entry visible at any time, and that would definitely offset the negligible dip in efficiency the rare, rare times I ever did need the menubar. Worth sparing a thought for, I think.

[admin]

These days, I come across more and more applications that allow hiding of Menu Bar: Windows Explorer, Internet Explorer, Firefox, Windows Live Mail, the list goes on. Therefore, I'd also like to wish for an option to hide it -- so many Menu bar options have CKS configured for them and others are configurable too, a fair number are "Set it and Forget it" kind of menus. In addition we have a plethora of CTBs that can contain multiple scripts. But just in case Menu Bar does need to come back a simple tap of "Alt" will revive it. I don't think it's just about saving a few pixels -- it's about streamlining the interface, having fewer unwanted components and maximising functionality.

I believe that there is a strong case for this feature, even if it's just a tweak, and it would be enlightening to hear feedback

After reading this thread, I alt+tabbed over to XYplorer and skimmed over the menus, and very quickly realised that the last time I used any of them at all was to switch over to DP (a setting which I thought I'd hate, but have come to find indispensable!). I therefore agree that the ability to hide the menubar would be extremely handy, or even to compile all the menus into one toolbar button and do away with the menubar that way (all optional of course).

It's far from the top of my list of XYplorer 'wishes', but that extra vertical space would make one more catalog entry visible at any time, and that would definitely offset the negligible dip in efficiency the rare, rare times I ever did need the menubar. Worth sparing a thought for, I think.

When the menubar is hidden, how you get it back? (when you forgot the keyboard shortcut)

[TheQwerty]

When the menubar is hidden, how you get it back? (when you forgot the keyboard shortcut)

Every implementation I've seen has Alt Up show & focus the menu bar and then hide it again when it loses focus or a selection is made.
You could also show it when the mouse hovers at the top.

[admin]

When the menubar is hidden, how you get it back? (when you forgot the keyboard shortcut)

Every implementation I've seen has Alt Up show & focus the menu bar and then hide it again when it loses focus or a selection is made.
You could also show it when the mouse hovers at the top.

Done. (slightly differently but works nicely)

[zer0]

Done. (slightly differently but works nicely)

Nice work! Now if you would please be kind enough to nudge up the height of tabs when in [Toolbar & Tabs] layout with large TB buttons the world can be right again. Otherwise, it's just wasted space