F5 - Refresh: too fresh for my taste

[admin]

The standard behavior for a file list Refresh is to re-read the data, reset all selections, scroll back to top, and set the focus to position 1.

The latter three services are usually not what I want when I refresh. Normally I just want to ensure that all the letters (name) and numbers (size, dates) are still up-to-date.

So I propose "another Refresh" which updates all the data, but does not touch my work (selections, scroll position, focus position). Wouldn't that be nice?? I plan to use the currently free Ctrl+F5 for this.

The only thing still lacking in the plan is the name for it! "Refresh Data" (as opposed to "Refresh [the listing of the data]") would work semantically but would surely lead to confusion... any better ideas?

TIA
don

[JustinF]

I like that idea! Why not just make this "new" refresh the default F5. It's a better refresh than the standard, anyway. IMO.

If you insist on having two refreshes, how about naming it "Smart Refresh", or something like that?

[admin]

I like that idea! Why not just make this "new" refresh the default F5. It's a better refresh than the standard, anyway. IMO.

IMO, too! But I think I have to meet expectations here. The new refresh will be so fast, that you won't see anything happening in most cases. It will raise confusion...

If you insist on having two refreshes, how about naming it "Smart Refresh", or something like that?

Not bad!

EDIT: I'd say the "normal" Refresh is more like a Reset (or Rebrowse, or Reload) whereas my idea is indeed a Refresh. Also, when you press F4 (or F5 in Explorer) the tree is refreshed without losing the current selection and scroll position, so it would only be "natural" (if non-standard) to let F5 be [smart] Refresh, and Ctrl+F5 Reload (what is now F5/Refresh).

Other opinions...?

[JustinF]

I like that idea! Why not just make this "new" refresh the default F5. It's a better refresh than the standard, anyway. IMO.

IMO, too! But I think I have to meet expectations here. The new refresh will be so fast, that you won't see anything happening in most cases. It will raise confusion...

I half-way agree with you, I guess. I just don't want to have to hit Ctrl+F5 everytime to do a refresh.

[admin]

Posting crossed... see my last EDIT...

[JustinF]

If you insist on having two refreshes, how about naming it "Smart Refresh", or something like that?

Not bad!

Or how about XYfresh?

[admin]

If you insist on having two refreshes, how about naming it "Smart Refresh", or something like that?

Not bad!

Or how about XYfresh?

HARHAR!

[admin]

I like that idea! Why not just make this "new" refresh the default F5. It's a better refresh than the standard, anyway. IMO.

IMO, too! But I think I have to meet expectations here. The new refresh will be so fast, that you won't see anything happening in most cases. It will raise confusion...

I half-way agree with you, I guess. I just don't want to have to hit Ctrl+F5 everytime to do a refresh.

Nor do I! I think there are moments where the traditional standard so clearly proves to be 2nd best that you have to split off from mainstream and lead the crowd into a new direction. I also think that this is one of those pioneering moments.

[JustinF]

Nor do I! I think there are moments where the traditional standard so clearly proves to be 2nd best that you have to split off from mainstream and lead the crowd into a new direction. I also think that this is one of those pioneering moments.

Well said!

[John Bee]

Other opinions...?

I like it. F5 it is.

John

Win2K
XY 0012

[admin]

Other opinions...?

I like it. F5 it is.

Uh, which F5?

[John Bee]

Other opinions...?

I like it. F5 it is.

Uh, which F5?

Oh, sorry, for your super refresh.

John

Win2K
XY 0012

EDIT: make this "new" refresh the default F5, is what I meant.

[jacky]

The standard behavior for a file list Refresh is to re-read the data, reset all selections, scroll back to top, and set the focus to position 1.

hmm.. quick question: does your "re-read data" step also includes looking for removed/added files & folders or not? And re-ordering the list?

Cause if a refresh doesn't do that, I would say that people are for sure gonna think it doesn't work, and I for sure won't like it

I guess re-ordering the list (ie. moving the newly-created folder on his place and not as last entry) could go with "reload", but if you dont remove files/folders that do not exists anymore, nor add the newly created ones still not there (can happen even with auto-refresh on)... well I'd say that refresh will probably be seen as useless/not working by many

(and I for one would hate to have to do something else than F5 to get that refresh done, and by "that refresh" I mean the update of the list, if you can do that without loosing/changing selection/focus, that'd be a delight )

[admin]

The standard behavior for a file list Refresh is to re-read the data, reset all selections, scroll back to top, and set the focus to position 1.

hmm.. quick question: does your "re-read data" step also includes looking for removed/added files & folders or not? And re-ordering the list?

Yes! The listing will be up-to-date is all aspects of file system reality. The differences to the traditional refresh only concern the list control status. They are:
- scroll position is kept (if possible: if the number of files is now smaller than the previous topindex then the new topindex has to be smaller of course)
- focus is kept (if possible... see above)
- selections are kept (if possible... they are stored by name, so if any selected file is renamed, it will become unselected after the refresh)

[jacky]

Yes! The listing will be up-to-date is all aspects of file system reality.

Well then... what the.. are you still waiting for, do it now