XY's take on crumbs may have one drawback

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XY's take on crumbs may have one drawback

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I was thinking about this earlier today when I was moving some files to their parent folder. The Ctrl-Backspace menu provides the navigational elegance of crumbs in a way that sometimes works better, sometimes worse than the way it's implemented in explorer/DO/TC.

However it doesn't give an easy way to drop files into any of the parent folders. In explorer/DO/TC you can drag a file onto the crumbs at any point to copy the file there, as far as I can tell that is not possible in XY.

You can drop it into the tree of course, but if the parent folder contains a lot of folders that may require some scrolling and is not exactly elegant.

I guess that's also why we see things like this script to move files to parent folder :).

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Re: XY's take on crumbs may have one drawback

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Take a look at this prior thread that relates to how XY handles breadcrumbs and as how it might in the future: http://www.xyplorer.com/xyfc/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4892&
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j_c_hallgren wrote:Take a look at this prior thread that relates to how XY handles breadcrumbs and as how it might in the future: http://www.xyplorer.com/xyfc/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4892&
Interestingly, that is a link to a thread where a user asked for crumbs, and you posted a link there to another thread where a user asked for crumbs, and you posted 3 links there to other threads where .. etc.

There are a LOT of threads on this forum where people ask for crumbs and get directed to other similar threads :D.

The reason I posted this as a separate thread is because I think it highlights a shortcoming in the current implementation that hasn't been discussed in those threads -- the inability to drop files onto the Ctrl-Backspace menu compared to actual crumb implementations :).

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Jibz wrote:Interestingly, that is a link to a thread where a user asked for crumbs, and you posted a link there to another thread where a user asked for crumbs, and you posted 3 links there to other threads where .. etc.

There are a LOT of threads on this forum where people ask for crumbs and get directed to other similar threads :D.
My apologies for the "link to a link to a link" thing but when I see something like your post, I attempt to find a recent thread that deals with the issue and over time, some of those have been updated by more recent ones so it becomes sort of a chain...and search results give me the most recent threads first so I'm going to use the top entry that applies...again, I felt it was better to do that than alternatives.

I find it easier to post a link to prior thread than to repeat the contents of threads and hope you understand that I was simply trying to point out that changes to how breadcrumbs are done may occur in the near future.

I understand that you are presenting a new cause for why breadcrumbs as now done aren't perfect...but since you're somewhat new here, you might not have seen the older discussions on breadcrumbs.
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j_c_hallgren wrote:I find it easier to post a link to prior thread than to repeat the contents of threads and hope you understand that I was simply trying to point out that changes to how breadcrumbs are done may occur in the near future.
I think it's a great idea to post links to previous content, and looking around the forums since I got here, I am impressed by your skills with the search engine indeed :). I just found it amusing that I ended up clicking though a chain of 6-7 posts that all linked to previous posts on the same subject.
j_c_hallgren wrote:I understand that you are presenting a new cause for why breadcrumbs as now done aren't perfect...but since you're somewhat new here, you might not have seen the older discussions on breadcrumbs.
I appreciate the link and effort, I had read a couple of them, but I only searched for the term "crumb" so I missed all of those who were some variation of "vista address bar".

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Jibz wrote:I was thinking about this earlier today when I was moving some files to their parent folder. The Ctrl-Backspace menu provides the navigational elegance of crumbs in a way that sometimes works better, sometimes worse than the way it's implemented in explorer/DO/TC.

However it doesn't give an easy way to drop files into any of the parent folders. In explorer/DO/TC you can drag a file onto the crumbs at any point to copy the file there, as far as I can tell that is not possible in XY.

You can drop it into the tree of course, but if the parent folder contains a lot of folders that may require some scrolling and is not exactly elegant.

I guess that's also why we see things like this script to move files to parent folder :).
Sure, no dropping on my crumb (is that funny in English? it seems so to me...). But here comes the MiniTree which eliminates that problem of "parent folder contains a lot of folders" and is always ready to drop. Apart from that, it all depends on work style. For example I hardly ever move stuff from child to parent, but often from parent to new child. Which is what parents should do, right? :wink:

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admin wrote: Sure, no dropping on my crumb (is that funny in English? it seems so to me...). But here comes the MiniTree which eliminates that problem of "parent folder contains a lot of folders" and is always ready to drop.
I actually considered the MiniTree(TM) when I wrote this post, but to me it's not quite the same. It may be because I haven't forces myself to use it a lot yet, but I haven't taken a liking to this feature yet -- to me it feels like it's hiding information.
admin wrote:Apart from that, it all depends on work style. For example I hardly ever move stuff from child to parent, but often from parent to new child. Which is what parents should do, right? :wink:
Well as I am sure you are aware, your use does not reflect that of all users. Operations that you hardly ever do may be something others do multiple times a day, and vice versa :).

I for one move files to one of the parent folders when I sort incoming images. I won't say it's something I do every day though.

At any rate, my point was that the Ctrl-Backspace menu, while potentially (partially) solving the navigational side of crumbs, may be missing this use.

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Jibz wrote:At any rate, my point was that the Ctrl-Backspace menu, while potentially (partially) solving the navigational side of crumbs, may be missing this use.
It sure does. Perfection is in the eye of the beholder.

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