Is One key file move or copy possible during preview?

frew · Post by **frew** » 12 Oct 2005 21:46

Hello,

I would love it as I browse my audio files using TV4 if I could just hit a key to move the file rather than having to do mouse action each time in order to move/copy files.

I like how during file browsing Irfanview image viewer allows to set up a move to and copy to folder, then with one key (F7 or F8) can instantly move or copy any file to the chosen folder, rather than having to do mouse movements to achieve the moving of the file(s) each time.

Maybe I am overlooking something.

Thank you very much for considering this,

Frew

Post by **admin** » 13 Oct 2005 10:19

I like the idea but not the implementation. Or maybe I don't understand it (haven't got Irfanview). For example, how do you know where your key is pointing too at the moment (in case you forget)? And, is there one key for move and one for copy?

Let's try to make it the best way...

jacky · Post by **jacky** » 13 Oct 2005 15:14

Don't know for the setup, but to know where it points you could have the paths showed as default (bold) in the Copy to/Move to menus....

Edit: could also say that if holding Ctrl when choosing a destination, it will then become the "default" one...

frew · Post by **frew** » 13 Oct 2005 15:43

In configuration settings there could be a little area to browse for the move to folder, and an area to browse for the copy to folder. With a little option to ask before move, and ask before copy.

Then with say F7, file is moved to the chosen folder.
With say F8, file is copied to selected folder.

In this way with TV4 preview/browse, one key would do the file move, another one key would do the file copy.

Often when browsing/previewing files in TV4 I want to be able to instantly move a file I'm previewing to a certain chosen folder. This feature would help a lot.

Thank you for considering this option.

Frew

Post by **admin** » 13 Oct 2005 17:28

frew wrote:In configuration settings there could be a little area to browse for the move to folder, and an area to browse for the copy to folder. With a little option to ask before move, and ask before copy.

Then with say F7, file is moved to the chosen folder.
With say F8, file is copied to selected folder.

Looks rather clumsy to me... like a feature that will attract a lot of dust.

Post by **admin** » 13 Oct 2005 17:35

jacky wrote:Don't know for the setup, but to know where it points you could have the paths showed as default (bold) in the Copy to/Move to menus....

Edit: could also say that if holding Ctrl when choosing a destination, it will then become the "default" one...

You know, I had this feature in from IIRC the year 2000 till 2004 and nobody ever used it. Then I removed it. The problem is the interface. I could never come up with a convincing design. Your "holding Ctrl when choosing a destination"... may be fine with you and me but it's not good enough for a feature that will work for the majority of users. Not because they are too dumb but because they have better things to do than reading TV3 help files and remembering obscure keyboard shortcuts.

jacky · Post by **jacky** » 13 Oct 2005 17:59

admin wrote:You know, I had this feature in from IIRC the year 2000 till 2004 and nobody ever used it. Then I removed it. The problem is the interface. I could never come up with a convincing design. Your "holding Ctrl when choosing a destination"... may be fine with you and me but it's not good enough for a feature that will work for the majority of users. Not because they are too dumb but because they have better things to do than reading TV3 help files and remembering obscure keyboard shortcuts.

Yeah I know. Actually, when writing it I thought "this would be right another hidden feature of TV3 you just can't know exists without being told about"

But, you could also say that that's why TV3 is so great, because it can do so many things.

Sure people wouldn't know it's there at first, but when you start using a soft you start looking for features you want/need, so what's really needed is a way to find out about thoose when looking for them...

(You could also have the folders be set up in the configuration, and the holding Ctrl would only be a "shortcut". I don't know if you can (easilly) do it, but you could also add a check box in the Browse window too.)

(just FYI, I'm just "saying things", I mean this is not a feature i'm personnally dying for

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Post by **admin** » 13 Oct 2005 18:12

jacky wrote:(just FYI, I'm just "saying things", I mean this is not a feature i'm personnally dying for )

That's totally okay! I need all the inspiration I can get. Say on things!

Yeah, TrackerV3 is cool, but it would even be cooler if it had more users, and I fear some of those "innovative" features (if they are not completely hidden) have a negative promotional impact: they drive customers away. When I check out some new software, and I see a lot of weird commands that don't make any sense (to me), then I don't really feel invited to spent more time here...

jacky · Post by **jacky** » 13 Oct 2005 18:28

admin wrote:When I check out some new software, and I see a lot of weird commands that don't make any sense (to me), then I don't really feel invited to spent more time here...

I see what you mean. But that's why you would want to make its use simple when you know about it, like the holding Ctrl thing. Not a big fancy thing, not "wasting space" in the configuration, so yeah sure at first you don't know it's there. But the good point is that it keeps Tracker with a nice intuitive GUI, which is good. (one of the most important thing to get new users I think, is that they "like" the GUI and can start using it without having to search for stuff or read the doc. Then after a while they'll go looking for all the 'secret) features it has...

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Then, having a checkbox in the Browsing window could help. Keeps the interface very "clean" I think, you don't know what "Make it the default copy/move path" is you don't use it, but then one day out of curiosity you try & start using it...

Post by **admin** » 13 Oct 2005 18:33

jacky wrote:Then, having a checkbox in the Browsing window could help.

Checkbox where? What checkbox?

jacky · Post by **jacky** » 13 Oct 2005 20:13

admin wrote:
jacky wrote:Then, having a checkbox in the Browsing window could help.
Checkbox where? What checkbox?

As I said, you could add a "Make it the default copy/move path" checkbox in the "browse window" (on the left oh the Ok/Cancel buttons), when we select the destination folder for the copy/move operation.

Post by **admin** » 14 Oct 2005 10:21

jacky wrote:
admin wrote:
jacky wrote:Then, having a checkbox in the Browsing window could help.
Checkbox where? What checkbox?
As I said, you could add a "Make it the default copy/move path" checkbox in the "browse window" (on the left oh the Ok/Cancel buttons), when we select the destination folder for the copy/move operation.

Ah ok, I think I was window-blind

But how will you make paths to defaults paths that are in the list already? And also: the Windows Browse dialog, which I use here, is too clumsy/slow.

The interface must be intuitive and simple/quick, because as i see it, you will change the default path very often, maybe several times a minute when distributing a bunch of files over several folders.

jacky · Post by **jacky** » 14 Oct 2005 15:00

admin wrote:But how will you make paths to defaults paths that are in the list already?

Well, I still think holding Ctrl while choosing the path from the list is good. But you can't' know that at first yeah. Which means people would probably use browse and go select a folder already in the list, just to check the box.
So, what you could do then is check if the folder already is in the list (I'm thinkking you already test this not to have the same folder twice and stuff), and if so and if the checkbox was checked show an msgbox to let them know that next time they can just hold Ctrl while clicking on the list to make it the default path.

Another idea: you could state that in the statusbar too. When a menuitem from thoose menus (Copy to /Move to) is highlighted, the statusbar is empty atm. Why not put something there that would say hold ctrl to make it default path, then just press F? to copy/move the file(s) to that path

Post by **admin** » 14 Oct 2005 17:47

Another idea:

Setting it: isn't being the default target in fact a property of a folder? So why not simply make it a command ("Make default copy target" or so) of the tree ctx menu?

Reading it (in case you forgot): it is featured as a command ("[the default copy target folder]") in the list items' ctx menu, along with its keyboard shortcut (whatever that may be... we have only a few left...).

jacky · Post by **jacky** » 14 Oct 2005 20:18

admin wrote:Setting it: isn't being the default target in fact a property of a folder? So why not simply make it a command ("Make default copy target" or so) of the tree ctx menu?

Yeah, but the way I see it it would be better to have the ability to set it up when doing the first operation.
I mean, When you're in a folder with lots of files you wanna copy/move to different folders; you might want to be able to do it without actually leaving that folder. So having to go to the destination folder each time you wanna change the default path might not be so cool.
But, you could use that instead of the checkbox thing if you want, but let the use of the hold-Ctrl as a shortcut.

As for reading it, having the keyboard shortcut is a great idea yeah, should it be along or instead of being in bold.

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