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Posted: 15 Oct 2005 16:20
by admin
I don't like to hold-Ctrl while clicking a menu command because it's not a standard Windows behavior type. Of course, I'm an anarchist ("Know the rules to break them..."), but not a compulsive one ("... if necessary.")

What about this idea (McLuhan: "You don't like my ideas? No problem, I got others!"):
The last explicit CopyTo (MoveTo) target is automatically stored as default target. Like "Repeat last command." Super-easy to understand.

Posted: 15 Oct 2005 16:38
by jacky
admin wrote:The last explicit CopyTo (MoveTo) target is automatically stored as default target. Like "Repeat last command." Super-easy to understand.
Yes indeed :) And no setup so no need to worry about that ;)
It might be a little different from what was asked for in the first place though, which I thought was more of a "favorite-like" than a "repeat last", but it's up to you ;)

As far as I'm concerned, I liked the idea of a "favorite-like" shortcut a bit more, cause a) once you set it up you know it's pointing where you want it to, don't need to be sure you didn't do any copy/move since then, and b) it allows you to use the shortcut for files going in that folder, then if one or 2 go somewhere else you do the usual copy/move operations, then back to your shortcut which hasn't changed :D

So, you can either go with the fav-like and its setup through the folder ctx menu (or checkbox), or with the repeat last.

Posted: 15 Oct 2005 18:43
by admin
jacky wrote:So, you can either go with the fav-like and its setup through the folder ctx menu (or checkbox), or with the repeat last.
Yep, one of the two. Not sure yet...

Posted: 15 Oct 2005 19:14
by jacky
Well, looks like a good time for some meditation :D ;)

Posted: 17 Oct 2005 11:16
by admin
jacky wrote:Well, looks like a good time for some meditation :D ;)
Did it :D and while meditating I read the history and found this:

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v3.60.0038 - 15.09.04 18:36
    - Removed the following keyboard shortcuts (added to v3.40.0081):
      Shift+F7: Move selected files to the last folder into which a file 
                was moved (using the File/Move To/Browse... command)
      Ctrl+F7:  Copy selected files to the last folder into which a file 
                was copied (using the File/Copy To/Browse... command)
      Ctrl+Shift+F7: Backup selected files to the last folder into which 
                a file was backupped (using the File/Backup To/Browse...
                command)
      Why: useless crap. You just cannot use a shortcut to a variable 
      command while it is invisible. Nobody has that kind of memory. 
      And, worse, when you move a file by accidentally pressing Ctrl+F7, 
      you might not know what happenend and have a hard time to find 
      your file again.
Well...?

Posted: 17 Oct 2005 15:21
by jacky
admin wrote:Well...?
Well, I think it makes sense, which is why - to me - it would be better to go with the other way (favorite-like). Since it's not a repeat-last but something you manually set, one can think you'd remember where it was.
And if you didn't, and used the shortcut, just look in the context menu, the "default" folder would be in bold with "Ctrl+F7" (or whatever the shortcut is) on its right. 8)

Posted: 17 Oct 2005 18:14
by admin
What happened to me those days was: I accidentally (the devil knows why) pressed Shift+F7 and all selected files moved away without saying bye-bye, and I had some sweaty minutes finding out what happened and where they'd gone.

Here's an idea to prevent this: store as well the date when the function was last used. And if it's more than, say, 60 minutes ago, then flash a msgbox on Ctrl/Shift+F7 telling you what is about to happen. Good?

I think the question "favorite or repeat-last" is independent from this, and I'm still uhm meditating about it... :wink:

Posted: 17 Oct 2005 20:51
by jacky
admin wrote:Here's an idea to prevent this: store as well the date when the function was last used. And if it's more than, say, 60 minutes ago, then flash a msgbox on Ctrl/Shift+F7 telling you what is about to happen. Good?
That's a nice idea yes. :D

Also, I think what happend to you was because the shortcut was associated to "Repeat last" ; but if you go with the favorite way, unless I'm mistaking, the path used as default could actually be found in the list (ctx menu), as it would be the menuitem with the shortcut. So you wouldn't have had to go through thoose sweay minutes.... right?

Posted: 18 Oct 2005 12:01
by admin
Yes, right.

I think, setting the fav-like default target can be done inside the Configuration window, because since it's a fav you won't change it every 5 seconds. There I could as well feature a choice between fav-like and repeat-last.

So, it seems all questions are answered. I'll wait some more days to see if even better ideas come up...

Posted: 18 Oct 2005 16:42
by frew
Not to complicate things further, but I've many times been browsing through folders of soundfiles wishing I could have 2 (or more) "move keys", where I configure a folders settings to have say F7 move the file to one folder and F8 move the file to another folder, etc.

Like this as I preview files:

File1: okay I want it in folder A, hit F7, done

File2: okay I want it in folder B, hit F8, done

File3: okay I want to leave it where it is, go on

File4: okay I want it in folder B, hit F8, done

File5: okay I want to leave it where it is, go on

File6: okay I want it in folder A, hit F7, done

On like this until all the files are sorted.

See, so I have 2 (or more) "move to" folders set up in the configurations settings

Now if TV4 could eventually have a configuration to set up multiple "move to" folders, I think it may be perhaps the only application with this ability.

Of course we can see how this would be very useful for many people who often gather or create lots of new files, dumping them all in a big folder where they later want to go through them all and quickly sort them into other folders.

Edit: Of course I think it's very important in the configuration settings to have a checkbox option to "warn me before file move" or not, so if somebody wants warnings before actual file move they can have it, but if they want to whip right through all their files moving them quickly with no warnings they can uncheck the "warn me" option.

Thank you,

Frew

Posted: 18 Oct 2005 19:38
by admin
frew wrote:Not to complicate things further...
...which is exactly what you are doing! :wink:

The problem again is: find a convincing interface. And also remember: all the cool shortcuts are gone. F7 and F8 are not available.

BTW, I think some other file manager can do this already.

Posted: 18 Oct 2005 20:33
by jacky
admin wrote:all the cool shortcuts are gone. F7 and F8 are not available.
One thing that would be great, but it might require some work, would be that users could define them. That way not only could we get the shortcuts we like, but we could choose what whould have shortcuts. For example I never use F7, so I could assign it to "Show Folder Sizes" 8)

Posted: 18 Oct 2005 21:06
by admin
jacky wrote:
admin wrote:all the cool shortcuts are gone. F7 and F8 are not available.
One thing that would be great, but it might require some work, would be that users could define them. That way not only could we get the shortcuts we like, but we could choose what whould have shortcuts. For example I never use F7, so I could assign it to "Show Folder Sizes" 8)
Yes, maybe in my next life.

Good you remind me: "Show Folder Sizes" has been Shift+F5, then I took it away. I think it's time to bring it back, don't you?

Posted: 18 Oct 2005 21:28
by jacky
admin wrote:Yes, maybe in my next life.
Yeah, I kinda thought you would say something like that, but I had to say it anwyay ;)
admin wrote:Good you remind me: "Show Folder Sizes" has been Shift+F5, then I took it away. I think it's time to bring it back, don't you?
Yes, I'd love that! :D

Posted: 19 Oct 2005 19:01
by legion1978
i think... it might be easier to add to the context menu,instead of a history list, a "copy/move/backup to tab (if named or by stack number)or folder", cause i for example, use to have my workin folders organized, so, takin advance of the tab naming and homing function, i can know for sure where the file is going to end up.