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Post by **admin** » 16 Apr 2008 15:22

infimum wrote:OK, everything appears fine as seen in your picture. FYI, WinZip recently decided to support unicode. Other unicode-consious de/compression programs will follow WinZip's decision. In fact, the recent alpha version of 7-zip support unicode in the Zip format.

admin wrote:No, the UnicodeToUTF8 converts Unicode to UTF8 -- independent of any codepage like Windows 1252. If I understand it right, codepages control the relation between bytes and screen pixels. However, the conversion we need here is just between bytes.
OK, I jumped the gun. Sorry. But, in that case, why is conversion like "ö" to "Ã¶" involved at all?

Because of you!

(Nobody else ever reported problems with "ö"...)

Back to research...

infimum · Post by **infimum** » 16 Apr 2008 17:31

How do other apps save their "ö"s???

Because of you! (Nobody else ever reported problems with "ö"...)

Just in case you still doubt that my enviroment is to blame, let me introduce a couple of programs which also show you ways of saving unicode paths.

How about this free file manager?
http://www.xiles.net/
Portable and unicode support. If you extract it, you can see that nexusfile.ini is encoded in UTF16.

There is another free portable file manager that supports unicode. It happens to be written by your fellow countryman.
http://www.softwareok.com/?seite=Freewa ... ge=english

I can attest that they work fine as far as unicode handling is concerned. Now, if my system is messed up, how come these programs work fine in my environment? Even though they are freeware and very basic, they still support unicode because this day and age when Windows' registry is encoded in unicode, file managers can't afford not to support unicode. It's like mp3 tag editors failing to support unicode. Not acceptable at all. (Yes, my unicode tag writting works fine including "ö". I listen to classical music. For this, I use mp3tag which also happens to be wriiten by your fellow countryman.)

Post by **admin** » 16 Apr 2008 19:14

infimum wrote:
How do other apps save their "ö"s???

Because of you! (Nobody else ever reported problems with "ö"...)
Just in case you still doubt that my enviroment is to blame, let me introduce a couple of programs which also show you ways of saving unicode paths.

How about this free file manager?
http://www.xiles.net/
Portable and unicode support. If you extract it, you can see that nexusfile.ini is encoded in UTF16.

There is another free portable file manager that supports unicode. It happens to be written by your fellow countryman.
http://www.softwareok.com/?seite=Freewa ... ge=english

I can attest that they work fine as far as unicode handling is concerned. Now, if my system is messed up, how come these programs work fine in my environment? Even though they are freeware and very basic, they still support unicode because this day and age when Windows' registry is encoded in unicode, file managers can't afford not to support unicode. It's like mp3 tag editors failing to support unicode. Not acceptable at all. (Yes, my unicode tag writting works fine including "ö". I listen to classical music. For this, I use mp3tag which also happens to be wriiten by your fellow countryman.)

Thanks for the links. I will further investigate and eventually come up with a solution.

BTW, what I said about codepages was not totally correct, or rather it was totally incorrect

Of course, it's fonts that relate between bytes and screen pixels. The codepage layer is somewhere in between and all my research up to now brought up more questions than answers. It starts to get interesting...

What makes me wonder is: I have a German XY over here, and XYplorer has no problems with any UNICODE characters anywhere. I can happily work and restart on paths with Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Arabic and so on. Now tell me, why is it that Japanese Windows cannot handle a German "ö" while German Windows can handle any Japanese char?!

Post by **j_c_hallgren** » 16 Apr 2008 19:43

admin wrote:Now tell me, why is it that Japanese Windows cannot handle a German "ö" while German Windows can handle any Japanese char?!

Germans are more adaptable to foreign imports than the Japanese are?

infimum · Post by **infimum** » 16 Apr 2008 19:46

admin wrote:What makes me wonder is: I have a German XY over here, and XYplorer has no problems with any UNICODE characters anywhere. I can happily work and restart on paths with Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Arabic and so on. Now tell me, why is it that Japanese Windows cannot handle a German "ö" while German Windows can handle any Japanese char?!

Just a wild guess because I don't know exactly how you achieve the conversion of unicode characters in the INI file, which is still encoded in the system default encoding.

So, you can sefely "resurrect", say, Chinese characters from the INI file which is encoded in Windows 1252. My system default is Windows 932 and resurrection of letters like "ö" fails. If you want to stick to this method, you need to know every characteristics of Windows xxxx encodings and make sure every conversion is correct, which is a huge amount of work. Take a look at the following page.
http://www.alanwood.net/demos/ansi.html
At the bottom, can you see how not every ANSI charater is treated the same way in many encodings? Something along the lines of this is blocking your conversion, I think. Converting non-ANSI charaters from the ANSI point of view is easy, because you use and know ANSI, but converting ANSI charaters from the non-ANSI point of view is no good.

Again, avoid ANSI completely, encode the INI file in UTF.

Post by **admin** » 16 Apr 2008 20:20

infimum wrote:Again, avoid ANSI completely, encode the INI file in UTF.

Yes, I'm near convinced now. Tests are on the way...

You never mentioned the Catalog (right?), so I assume "Köln" works alright there??

infimum · Post by **infimum** » 16 Apr 2008 20:32

I don't use Catalog that often. Kill me

For the last page or two, I wan concentrating only on the tab restoration problem.

Post by **admin** » 16 Apr 2008 20:42

infimum wrote:I don't use Catalog that often. Kill me
For the last page or two, I wan concentrating only on the tab restoration problem.

Ok, please create a Catalog category (to do it: right-click the catalog...), then drag-drop a "köln" folder into that category. Close and restart the app. "köln" still there?

infimum · Post by **infimum** » 16 Apr 2008 21:21

admin wrote:Ok, please create a Catalog category (to do it: right-click the catalog...), then drag-drop a "köln" folder into that category. Close and restart the app. "köln" still there?

Yes, that much, I tested.

Post by **admin** » 16 Apr 2008 22:54

infimum wrote:
admin wrote:Ok, please create a Catalog category (to do it: right-click the catalog...), then drag-drop a "köln" folder into that category. Close and restart the app. "köln" still there?
Yes, that much, I tested.

Great, thanks!

I can tell you: it's looking good!

Next BETA will have UNICODE INI files (UTF-16-LE), hurray!!

Post by **admin** » 17 Apr 2008 11:21

infimum wrote:
admin wrote:Ok, please create a Catalog category (to do it: right-click the catalog...), then drag-drop a "köln" folder into that category. Close and restart the app. "köln" still there?
Yes, that much, I tested.

Infimum, could you give me "The Zen of File Management" in Japanese characters? I'd look to use it in some screenshots...

infimum · Post by **infimum** » 17 Apr 2008 17:39

OK, first thing first. The unicode-named tab restoration problem is now solved. Very good job!

As I've done here, I will continue to use this thread for reporting problems having to do with unicode. But now that XY took a "complete unicode" path, those problems should be relatively minor, I hope.

So here's the first problem. Catalog has the restoration problem. That is, a unicode named folder can be added to Catalog. Close XY. Restart it. The unicode name is garbled.

About the translation, I wanted to see how the phrase "Zen of" something is used in the computer world, if any, so I Googled. (This kind of "figurative" speech is not that common in Japanese, or it wouldn't sound "cool" enough simply because Zen is, well, not that foreign.) Anyway, this got a lot of hits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS_Zen_Garden
I could tranliterate the phrase "the zen of file management", but it would sound wacky, something like Chinese character tattoos you see often nowadays

So I suggest that just the character for zen be used with the prahse "the zen of file management" in English somewhere near. Possibly with some modest graphics of zen gardens or something. I think people would understand the approach. Some ideas:
http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=207/207.css
http://zen.thetao.info/perceive/zengarden.htm
So the character is:

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禅 (zen)

Remind you, I am no web designer or "font fanatic". If you want just the transliteration of "the zen of file management", I can give you. Let me know.

Post by **admin** » 17 Apr 2008 19:17

Ah, good it finally works!

infimum wrote:So here's the first problem. Catalog has the restoration problem. That is, a unicode named folder can be added to Catalog. Close XY. Restart it. The unicode name is garbled.

Hm, I asked you exactly this yesterday, and you replied that the catalog works okay:
http://www.xyplorer.com/xyfc/viewtopic. ... 1535#21535
Probably a misunderstanding. No problem, I wanted to rewrite that part anyway...

infimum wrote:About the translation, I wanted to see how the phrase "Zen of" something is used in the computer world, if any, so I Googled. (This kind of "figurative" speech is not that common in Japanese, or it wouldn't sound "cool" enough simply because Zen is, well, not that foreign.) Anyway, this got a lot of hits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSS_Zen_Garden
I could tranliterate the phrase "the zen of file management", but it would sound wacky, something like Chinese character tattoos you see often nowadays So I suggest that just the character for zen be used with the prahse "the zen of file management" in English somewhere near. Possibly with some modest graphics of zen gardens or something. I think people would understand the approach. Some ideas:
http://www.csszengarden.com/?cssfile=207/207.css
http://zen.thetao.info/perceive/zengarden.htm
So the character is:
Code: Select all
禅 (zen)
Remind you, I am no web designer or "font fanatic". If you want just the transliteration of "the zen of file management", I can give you. Let me know.

Thanks!

infimum · Post by **infimum** » 17 Apr 2008 19:46

admin wrote:Hm, I asked you exactly this yesterday, and you replied that the catalog works okay:
http://www.xyplorer.com/xyfc/viewtopic. ... 1535#21535
Probably a misunderstanding. No problem, I wanted to rewrite that part anyway...

Well, I was probably dozing off

It's hard to be one man debugger.

Post by **admin** » 17 Apr 2008 20:09

infimum wrote:
admin wrote:Hm, I asked you exactly this yesterday, and you replied that the catalog works okay:
http://www.xyplorer.com/xyfc/viewtopic. ... 1535#21535
Probably a misunderstanding. No problem, I wanted to rewrite that part anyway...
Well, I was probably dozing off It's hard to be one man debugger.

But you do a great job (mostly

). Now we have unicode INIs, something I did not dream of 2 days ago, thanks to your "ö" issues!