Color filter for encrypted files and folders

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Post by kimsnarf »

OK, I think I understand the opposing arguments now, but for the sake of clarity I'll try to explain my take on this matter.

First of all, what is the intent of highlighting, boxing and favorites? Is it to remind oneself which folders one keeps interesting files in? Or which folders one should remember to check regularly? Or which folders have work to be done? I keep a very tidy hierarchical structure of my file system. Even though I can't necessarily remember which particular file or folder I've encrypted (i.e. attributes), I do know where I keep which kind of files, which folders I download items to and where I've stored my work (i.e. the function of a folder). I don't need visual indicators to keep track of that. But some might, I guess, if they're less focused on structuring their file system. It would thus be interesting to see a screenshot or two showing how these coloring features are applied in practice for those who use them.

I similarly wonder at the conceptual difference between highlighting, boxing and favorites. Why not simply let the user create his own labels (e.g. "music") and choose an appropriate text style (e.g. bold) and/or color instead of predefining a certain set of labels (i.e. "favorites")? This would be more complex, of course, but also more flexible, if I correctly understand the function of these visual indicators.

Generally, I understand the line of thought that the tree view and the file list view serve different purposes (i.e. where versus what). The problem is that both views show the same items (in the case of folders). For all items that appear in both views (i.e. folders) I strongly believe that these should have the same visual appearance. Otherwise one view seems to indicate one thing (e.g these folders are encrypted) while the other indicates another (these folders are not encrypted). The same reasoning applies to all visual indicators, except those that are a natural function of the view (e.g. only the tree view can have "+" buttons to indicate hierarchy and boxing colors). To me, at least, this inconsistency between views (which I still believe it is :wink: ) was just plain confusing, and I needed someone to explain to me why this was not simply an oversight. I believe this will be a potential pitfall to other Windows Explorer refugees as well.

It might be useful to explain how I use the views. Basically, I navigate at the tree view (to get the overall perspective), and move to the file list view only when I've entered the intended folder. At this point, the tree view shows which folder I'm in, while the file list view shows the contents of that folder. Selecting a folder in the file list view should not select the same folder in the tree view, both because that would invalidate the purpose of the tree view (showing which folder I'm inside) and because it splits the active focus between the two views (while I'm only working in one). As such, I see the tree view as a navigator on the folder level, and the file list view as a navigator on the file level. Thus it wouldn't make sense to add files to the tree view. But it would, however, make sense to add visual indicators to the tree view, since this view is supposed to aid navigation on the folder level. Without knowing which folder contains the desired attributes, I have to resort to the file list view to find the correct folder, only to switch back to the tree view again to navigate the hierachy deeper. Shortly put, I have to jump back and forth between the views until I reach my target. Compare this to simply navigating the tree view until I find the correct folder and then only switch to the file list view once I'm actually going to manipulate files. That's the way I prefer to work.

On to the implementation: Because the difference in thought lies in how the views are regarded, rather than which particular color feature should apply to which view, I'm thinking that perhaps the best solution is simply to have a checkbox for whether you want the color filters to also apply to the tree view. This won't allow fine-grained control, but on the other hand it will be simpler to understand and utilize. And I can't really imagine why someone would want one attribute to appear visually in the tree but not another. That will only lead to chaos. Which eventually leads to the dark side and killer bunnies and all that. And we don't really want that, do we? :lol:
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/me agrees with admin :)
kimsnarf wrote:First of all, what is the intent of highlighting, boxing and favorites? Is it to remind oneself which folders one keeps interesting files in? Or which folders one should remember to check regularly? Or which folders have work to be done?
Can be whatever one wants to use it for, no strict rule ;)
For example I use the Boxed Branches colors so I can very easilly & quickly know where in the Tree I am.
I do have a lot of partitions, and of folders. So it is really helpfull to have an idea of where I am as qcuikly as seeing the color in the Tree, without having to read folder names and figure out where I am. For example, if my Tree is in blue I know I'm in my Program Files, I have one color assigned to each of the drives I use most often, so again I quickly know where I am without having to look for names. And when scrolling/drag&dropping, again if goes easier/faster with colors.

I also use the Highlight folders on some to make them stand out, so for example I know it's a "hot" folder, ie I need to deal with it/work on whatever is in, etc in priority.

kimsnarf wrote:I similarly wonder at the conceptual difference between highlighting, boxing and favorites. Why not simply let the user create his own labels (e.g. "music") and choose an appropriate text style (e.g. bold) and/or color instead of predefining a certain set of labels (i.e. "favorites")?
hmm... not sure i see what you mean here. We're talking about the Tree, which shows what's on your computer/drives. There's no way it should shown folders with different names or anything like that!
All thoose are only great highlighting features to enhance the Tree. For Favorites & such, one should use the great Catalog.
FYI, actually favorite folders are not always shown in bold on the Tree. They can be, just as a visual indicator so one can easilly see which folders are on its fav folders. But it's up to the user, through menu View/Tree Style, to say if thoose will be in bold, and/or have a little blue overlay on their icon, or none of thoose.

But on the Catalog, each item can use its own name (ie Music) and its own colors. So yes, the Catalog gives total control to the user, and one can have an item called "Music" on green, and clicking it would jump to whatever folder he wants (eg. D:\My Documents\My Music\MP3)

kimsnarf wrote:For all items that appear in both views (i.e. folders) I strongly believe that these should have the same visual appearance. Otherwise one view seems to indicate one thing (e.g these folders are encrypted) while the other indicates another (these folders are not encrypted).
I agree with what Don said, Tree & List do not give you the same informations about their items, that's all. The Tree doesnt say it's not encrypted, it just doesn't say if it is or not ;)
Besides, using the ">t" suffix would allow you, if you want, to have the Tree show this information or not!

You seem to think that Color Filters are only for attributes, or extension that therefore would only apply to files, so to the List. This is not true.
Color Filters can be set to apply to full names, ie. one could use some text in both files & folders names that indicates something, and want to have thoose shown in colors on the List, but not on the Tree either not the "mess" with the different set of background colors used there, and/or because it would confuse him to have thoose "markers" shown on the Tree. (ie. as I said I have a color for System attributes, but I'm glad it doesn't show on Tree actually, I wouldn't like that.)

I beleive the per-filter switch is a great choice, because it allows everyone to have want they want and more. 8)
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jacky wrote: Can be whatever one wants to use it for, no strict rule ;)
For example I use the Boxed Branches colors so I can very easilly & quickly know where in the Tree I am.
Thanks for the explanation of what you use the colors for! I wouldn't have thought of those uses myself. :wink: But perhaps that is just because I've grown too familiar with plain, old Windows Explorer. Since I'm quite new to XYplorer, I haven't had the time to assess all its possibilities yet. But I see already that there are more uses for visual indicators than those I had considered.

I agree, then, that the per-filter switch is the best solution after all, since our particular needs are so varied. As long as I can see attribute colors in the tree, I'm happy. :lol:

Just to clarify:
jacky wrote:hmm... not sure i see what you mean here. We're talking about the Tree, which shows what's on your computer/drives. There's no way it should shown folders with different names or anything like that!
I didn't mean "labels" in the sense of folder labels, but rather in the sense of interface color labels. That is, instead of having a hard-coded mark-up toggle labelled "highlight", users could instead specify their own toggles. For instance, a toggle labelled "music" which could be applied to all folders where music is kept. These folders would then all be shown with the same color (to indicate music) without the folder names actually having to contain the string "music". But of course, I didn't realize that the box color or a highlight color could be changed for each instance. I thought they all had to have the same color. Since they don't, they already serve the same purpose I tried to convey. Except that all highlights will have to be colored manually for each instance instead of just picking e.g. the label "music" which automatically uses the chosen color for that label. But I guess that kind of use is intended for the Catalog.
jacky wrote:I agree with what Don said, Tree & List do not give you the same informations about their items, that's all. The Tree doesnt say it's not encrypted, it just doesn't say if it is or not ;)
True, the tree doesn't actually say whether a folder is encrypted or not, but this isn't necessarily clear to a new user. Since a given color (e.g. green) indicates an encrypted folder, the lack of said color necessarily indicates an unencrypted folder. That the same folder has different colors in different views might be confusing unless the user is told why this is so. That's why I argued that folders, by default, should have the same colors in both the tree view and the file list view. I believe this is more intuitive to a new user. This behavior could instead be disabled by the per-filter switch. But it won't be as satisfying to experienced users. :wink:
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kimsnarf wrote:Thanks for the explanation of what you use the colors for! I wouldn't have thought of those uses myself. :wink: But perhaps that is just because I've grown too familiar with plain, old Windows Explorer. Since I'm quite new to XYplorer, I haven't had the time to assess all its possibilities yet. But I see already that there are more uses for visual indicators than those I had considered.
Yes... you'll start using thoose XY-only amazing features, and then you'll realize you can't live without them no more, you'll then be one of us, another XYfanatic! 8) It's actually a pretty cool thing ;)
kimsnarf wrote:True, the tree doesn't actually say whether a folder is encrypted or not, but this isn't necessarily clear to a new user. Since a given color (e.g. green) indicates an encrypted folder, the lack of said color necessarily indicates an unencrypted folder. That the same folder has different colors in different views might be confusing unless the user is told why this is so. That's why I argued that folders, by default, should have the same colors in both the tree view and the file list view. I believe this is more intuitive to a new user. This behavior could instead be disabled by the per-filter switch. But it won't be as satisfying to experienced users. :wink:
Well, since by default all folders are the same, and to have any of them in a specific color, whatever the attribute, you have to manually add a Color Filter, it'd be up to the user to choose whether or not the filter should be applied on the Tree aswell (since, I'm sure, the ">t" switch will be mention on the Configuration window itself, even a newbie will be aware of that ;)).
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Post by pissant »

Is it still planned to add the >t parameter to enable tree coloring? (I hope so, because I feel that attribute color filters are unquestionably useful for the tree view to indicate attributes on the folders. :))

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kimsnarf wrote:The encryption color filter works very nicely! However, the selected color only appears in the file list view (right side), not in the tree view (left side). Is this behavior intentional? I couldn't get colors in the tree view for other attributes either. This would be useful to indicate attributes on folders without having to open them.
Done! :D

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