search results tweaks and name sorting is wrong

[Eep²]

How can I search for a particular file in search results? I tried "selection filter" and "select items" but only the filter claims to have selected the file I want but it's not highlighted in the search results so I don't know how it's "selecting" the filter.

If I type the first letter or number of a file, the selected file highlight just mindlessly goes through all (or most) of the tiles even though they don't start with the key pressed.

Also, ascending name sorting is incorrect for these files, which are sorted fine up until 01bbd482-032b-983c-ef23-6bf712448137 which comes after 0fe1d964-d6c3-86d1-2101-e4c8b08d4c7e, oddly, when it should be at the very top (numbers before letters). The sorting will keep this first-0# messup and then really mess up after 9f1e5568-acd7-65a0-b6fb-79848bbed10e where
11d64bbf-aa8a-3e48-44dd-73888f59a23c comes after but should be where 01bbd482-032b-983c-ef23-6bf712448137 is. The correct sorting should be numbers before letters (0-9 then a-z) for each character of the filename.

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[nas8e9]

How can I search for a particular file in search results? I tried "selection filter" and "select items" but only the filter claims to have selected the file I want but it's not highlighted in the search results so I don't know how it's "selecting" the filter.

If I type the first letter or number of a file, the selected file highlight just mindlessly goes through all (or most) of the tiles even though they don't start with the key pressed.

I'm guessing this will be solved when Live Filter for List comes around; it's currently scheduled some way down on the roadmap.

Also, ascending name sorting is incorrect for these files, which are sorted fine up until 01bbd482-032b-983c-ef23-6bf712448137 which comes after 0fe1d964-d6c3-86d1-2101-e4c8b08d4c7e, oddly, when it should be at the very top (numbers before letters). The sorting will keep this first-0# messup and then really mess up after 9f1e5568-acd7-65a0-b6fb-79848bbed10e where
11d64bbf-aa8a-3e48-44dd-73888f59a23c comes after but should be where 01bbd482-032b-983c-ef23-6bf712448137 is. The correct sorting should be numbers before letters (0-9 then a-z) for each character of the filename.

Does disabling Configuration > General > Sorting > Natural numeric sort order, make any difference?

[Eep²]

Does disabling Configuration > General > Sorting > Natural numeric sort order, make any difference?

Hmm, it does. I swear I had tried disabling that before but it had no effect. Ah well. Now it's a question of why natural sorting doesn't mean numbers before letters AND base 10 number sorting... Thanks.

[nas8e9]

Does disabling Configuration > General > Sorting > Natural numeric sort order, make any difference?

Hmm, it does. I swear I had tried disabling that before but it had no effect. Ah well. Now it's a question of why natural sorting doesn't mean numbers before letters AND base 10 number sorting... Thanks.

AFAIK this is a function provided by Windows instead of XYplorer, which means the bug report should be heading to a rather bigger support department.

[Eep²]

AFAIK this is a function provided by Windows instead of XYplorer, which means the bug report should be heading to a rather bigger support department.

My point is, if Windows filename sorting can be overridden by XYplorer, why can't XYplorer's filename sorting just be rewritten to include numbers before letters AND base 10 number sorting?

[nas8e9]

AFAIK this is a function provided by Windows instead of XYplorer, which means the bug report should be heading to a rather bigger support department.

My point is, if Windows filename sorting can be overridden by XYplorer, why can't XYplorer's filename sorting just be rewritten to include numbers before letters AND base 10 number sorting?

That's a question for the developer when he gets back, I'm afraid.

[Eep²]

That's a question for the developer when he gets back, I'm afraid.

Indeed--as are all of my posts to these forums...

[admin]

AFAIK this is a function provided by Windows instead of XYplorer, which means the bug report should be heading to a rather bigger support department.

My point is, if Windows filename sorting can be overridden by XYplorer, why can't XYplorer's filename sorting just be rewritten to include numbers before letters AND base 10 number sorting?

Because I'm a busy man. I have to invest my time carefully.

[TheQwerty]

AFAIK this is a function provided by Windows instead of XYplorer, which means the bug report should be heading to a rather bigger support department.

My point is, if Windows filename sorting can be overridden by XYplorer, why can't XYplorer's filename sorting just be rewritten to include numbers before letters AND base 10 number sorting?

Describing it like this really makes it confusing, because the Windows natural sorting does include numbers before letters in base 10.

It seems your real issue is that you want it to compare numbers on a character-by-character basis, which is typically the same as the non-natural sorting.

So how does it arrive at the arrangement in your original post?

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0fe1d964-d6c3-86d1-2101-e4c8b08d4c7e
01bbd482-032b-983c-ef23-6bf712448137
9f1e5568-acd7-65a0-b6fb-79848bbed10e
11d64bbf-aa8a-3e48-44dd-73888f59a23c

First, it breaks the name into groups of characters in an attempt to separate the alpha from the numeric:

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Name                                  >  GA   GB   GC  ...
0fe1d964-d6c3-86d1-2101-e4c8b08d4c7e  >   0   fe    1  ...
01bbd482-032b-983c-ef23-6bf712448137  >  01  bbd  482  ...
9f1e5568-acd7-65a0-b6fb-79848bbed10e  >   9    f    1  ...
11d64bbf-aa8a-3e48-44dd-73888f59a23c  >  11    d   64  ...

Then it compares the values in each grouping; Group A (GA): 0 < 1 < 9 < 11; and continues with the other groups.


Remember natural sorting really only exists to turn this:

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1.txt
10.txt
2.txt

into the more "natural":

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1.txt
2.txt
10.txt

Or perhaps more clearly for the issue at hand:

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0010.txt
002.txt
01.txt

into:

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01.txt
002.txt
0010.txt