Sort folders apart vs sort order

RalphM · Post by **RalphM** » 27 Jul 2006 02:42

Wouldn't it be nicer to keep the position of the subfolders regardless of the sort order?
I have "Sort folders apart" switched on, now when I have the listview sorted in descending order by any column, the folders move to the bottom of the list, but I would rather keep them at the top, since it seems more efficient and natural to me.

Anybody else in on that wish?

JustinF · Post by **JustinF** » 27 Jul 2006 03:15

I've often thought the same thing.

Post by **admin** » 27 Jul 2006 12:56

RalphM wrote:Wouldn't it be nicer to keep the position of the subfolders regardless of the sort order?

I wanted to do something about sorting since long... thanks for kicking me. I'll deliver a first impressionistic version within 10 minutes...

jacky · Post by **jacky** » 27 Jul 2006 16:15

First, oh noes!!

I actually really liked that folders were not on top when sort order was made on date or size!
Even though I'm sometimes looking for folders, hence a previous wish for a trick to jump to the first item of the "other kind" (file/folder)

But most of times thoose sort orders means Im looking for most recent/biggest files, so having folders on the bottom of the list was a great thing!
/me waits for the chekcbox to uncheck

Second:

admin wrote:

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Experimentally changed the sorting algorithm: now folders are 
always (independently of the sort order and column) kept at the top of 
the list. If successful it will be configurable later... 
Note: 
- Currently the above works only if "Natural numeric sort order" 
  is OFF. 
- "Sort folders apart" has currently no effect (it's always ON).

I must have a very special version then, cause
- it still works with "Natural numeric sort order" ON, always have my folders on top
- when I turn "Sort folders apart" OFF is IS turned off when sorted by Names

Post by **admin** » 27 Jul 2006 16:24

It will be uncheckable, of course.

jacky wrote:I must have a very special version then, cause
- it still works with "Natural numeric sort order" ON, always have my folders on top
- when I turn "Sort folders apart" OFF is IS turned off when sorted by Names

You don't have XP, I suppose, so you have no "Natural numeric sort order" anyway...

jacky · Post by **jacky** » 27 Jul 2006 16:28

admin wrote:You don't have XP, I suppose, so you have no "Natural numeric sort order" anyway...

Oh yes I do have XP, and I do have & use "Natural numeric sort order" !

Windows XP Pro SP2
XYplorer 5.00.0067

Post by **admin** » 27 Jul 2006 17:04

jacky wrote:
admin wrote:You don't have XP, I suppose, so you have no "Natural numeric sort order" anyway...
Oh yes I do have XP, and I do have & use "Natural numeric sort order" !

Windows XP Pro SP2
XYplorer 5.00.0067

Aaah, ooh, whoops: misunderstanding on my side. The new way of sorting can only be admired when "Natural numeric sort order" is OFF. That's what I meant.

Anyway, everything will be phantastic in the next BETA. And guess what, the app got again a bit faster fundamentally by my efforts to rewrite sorting. More flex plus more speed -- that's what XY fanatics love and expect!

jacky · Post by **jacky** » 27 Jul 2006 18:19

admin wrote:Aaah, ooh, whoops: misunderstanding on my side. The new way of sorting can only be admired when "Natural numeric sort order" is OFF. That's what I meant.

Yeah, but what I meant is, I got folders on top even when "Natural numeric sort order" is OFF ; wasn't that "folders on top" (when sorting with size/dates) the new way of sorting?

admin wrote:Anyway, everything will be phantastic in the next BETA. And guess what, the app got again a bit faster fundamentally by my efforts to rewrite sorting. More flex plus more speed -- that's what XY fanatics love and expect!

Yeah, you're the best!

Being an XYfanatic is such a nice thing

Post by **admin** » 27 Jul 2006 21:18

jacky wrote:
admin wrote:Aaah, ooh, whoops: misunderstanding on my side. The new way of sorting can only be admired when "Natural numeric sort order" is OFF. That's what I meant.
Yeah, but what I meant is, I got folders on top even when "Natural numeric sort order" is OFF ; wasn't that "folders on top" (when sorting with size/dates) the new way of sorting?

Yeah, OFF. That's what I'm saying all the time.

It's time for a nap, jacky.

EDIT:

just came to my mind that "Natural numeric sort order" is implemented only for the Name and the Path columns. So you are right, jacky, the Date columns do have the new way of sorting always at the moment. But all this will change anyways with the next BETA...

jacky · Post by **jacky** » 27 Jul 2006 22:18

ok good, /me is not crazy

And Don, might be time for a nap

RalphM · Post by **RalphM** » 28 Jul 2006 12:45

admin wrote:...I'll deliver a first impressionistic version within 10 minutes...

I like the first version, and by stating it that way I guess you're open for further improvements.
Now the folders are sorted apart, but let's say you sort by date, they stay at top of list but are naturally resorted by date as well.

For me the natural sort order for folders would be by name, no matter what sort options I select for files, so if you plan to make it configurable, could there be a way to accomplish this? Maybe something like "Sort folders by" with a selection of:
- same as files
- by name asc
- ...
Or make the sort order of folders and files completely independent? Might be a bit tricky to implement in the GUI though, but since we know you're clever, I'm sure you'll find a way if you like the idea at all.

avsfan · Post by **avsfan** » 28 Jul 2006 17:10

I really thought that I'd like this ability, and now that I've tried it, I've got to say that I think it's more of a hindrance than a help for me at this point...

While I think it could be useful at times, right now it's completely messing me up as I'm used to having my most recently changed files at the top, as I need to get access to them. Since the folder I'm working in has a large number of sub-folders, so I have to scroll just to get to the files (and I can't just scroll all the way up if I'm down in the list somewhere).

So I guess I'm saying that I'm really looking forward to the option of being able to turn this behavior off!

Thanks for listening!

andy

Post by **admin** » 29 Jul 2006 14:36

avsfan wrote:So I guess I'm saying that I'm really looking forward to the option of being able to turn this behavior off!

Turn it off now.

Post by **admin** » 29 Jul 2006 14:39

RalphM wrote:For me the natural sort order for folders would be by name, no matter what sort options I select for files, so if you plan to make it configurable, could there be a way to accomplish this? Maybe something like "Sort folders by" with a selection of:
- same as files
- by name asc
- ...
Or make the sort order of folders and files completely independent? Might be a bit tricky to implement in the GUI though, but since we know you're clever, I'm sure you'll find a way if you like the idea at all.

I'm only wondering how many people apart from RalphM find this a "natural sort order for folders". I'm having problems already with "Keep folders on top". I don't think I'll ever use it myself...

jacky · Post by **jacky** » 29 Jul 2006 16:11

admin wrote:Turn it off now.

I did !

Much better that way for me

Regarding "RalphM's natural sort order for folders"

I do not agree with him either, and actually whenever I sort by dates or sizes I really expect folders to be sorted that way aswell !

admin wrote:

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      - A natural-sorting bug (sort order difference between tree and list 
        in some rare circumstances) has been fixed en passant.

Well, rare circumstances that I personally (used to) experience every day, so I am really happy about this one!!

Well done (as always)

But, it seems to me that with your new changes you also added a little space on the left of every item's icons on the list !! They used to be right on the left, and now there's a few pixels left blank

Is that an on purpose thing, or?? Cause I really don't see why one would need that, feels to me like thoose little pixels are being "wasted"....

BTW about the "App load time", I guess you moved it to Report only cause there was space there, so you could move it somewhere between the buttons "Help" & "Ok", and it could stay there forever...

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