Reorganizing History Data

[TheQwerty]

Multi-Sourced Catalog.

[admin]

Multi-Sourced Catalog.

Does not work as a verb, as in "Open Catalog to Combine...".

Do you agree with my problems with Combine? Or is Combine a good choice, or at least better than Merge?

[PeterH]

"Merged Catalog" seems to refer to the catalog that was merged into the existing one, whereas "Combined Catalog" rather refers to the combination of both (all) combined catalogs. Right?

The following is how I would interpret it - it might just be wrong.

When I combine 2 groups, I will see 2 combined groups.
If I intermix the entries of both groups, they are merged.

[TheQwerty]

Okay, taking a step back I want to change my suggestion:
"Include External Catalog"
"Remove External Catalog"

"Include" should be (more) meaningful to the programmers among your users, as it's a pretty similar concept to import/using. I feel it also correctly implies that the source is still a separate entity from the result. It does slightly suggest however that the source is of lesser importance.

"External" is only semantics, and it should help to make it clear that this Catalog is meant to be from an external source which the user may not have the permissions to modify or control. It may not be needed, but I feel it adds clarity.


"Merge" and "Combine" both seem to imply that you are copying the data from a Catalog into a new one, thus losing the suggestion that these are read-only items that may be modified by someone else and will be updated.

"Cascading" is the wrong concept entirely (though I love the way it sounds), as it implies the full parent->child->grandchild ancestry path, and nothing to do with multiple sources.

[j_c_hallgren]

Argh, more problems! If you compare the following statements, I *think* (not being a born English speaker) that the first one has a clearer reference/meaning in the way it is intended:

This item is from a Merged Catalog. Any edits are not retained across sessions.
This item is from a Combined Catalog. Any edits are not retained across sessions.

Not sure if I would agree that first is clearer because I tend to think of merged as being more permanent...but remember, this feature will be described in more detail elsewhere so we don't have to just rely on this sentence alone.

"Merged Catalog" seems to refer to the catalog that was merged into the existing one, whereas "Combined Catalog" rather refers to the combination of both (all) combined catalogs. Right?

Without any other description, I'd not say these are any different and that both refer to result and not the components.

[admin]

Okay, taking a step back I want to change my suggestion:
"Include External Catalog"
"Remove External Catalog"

"Include" should be (more) meaningful to the programmers among your users, as it's a pretty similar concept to import/using. I feel it also correctly implies that the source is still a separate entity from the result. It does slightly suggest however that the source is of lesser importance.

"External" is only semantics, and it should help to make it clear that this Catalog is meant to be from an external source which the user may not have the permissions to modify or control. It may not be needed, but I feel it adds clarity.


"Merge" and "Combine" both seem to imply that you are copying the data from a Catalog into a new one, thus losing the suggestion that these are read-only items that may be modified by someone else and will be updated.

"Cascading" is the wrong concept entirely (though I love the way it sounds), as it implies the full parent->child->grandchild ancestry path, and nothing to do with multiple sources.

I agree, "Include External Catalog" is good. Only "Catalog Including" or "Included Catalogs" does not sound like a feature. Promotionwise "Include" is a bit pale...

[admin]

Argh, more problems! If you compare the following statements, I *think* (not being a born English speaker) that the first one has a clearer reference/meaning in the way it is intended:

This item is from a Merged Catalog. Any edits are not retained across sessions.
This item is from a Combined Catalog. Any edits are not retained across sessions.

Not sure if I would agree that first is clearer because I tend to think of merged as being more permanent...but remember, this feature will be described in more detail elsewhere so we don't have to just rely on this sentence alone.

"Merged Catalog" seems to refer to the catalog that was merged into the existing one, whereas "Combined Catalog" rather refers to the combination of both (all) combined catalogs. Right?

Without any other description, I'd not say these are any different and that both refer to result and not the components.

I see. That would speak for Include, or Embed, or similar, something with a clear whole/part semantics.

[TheQwerty]

I agree, "Include External Catalog" is good. Only "Catalog Including" or "Included Catalogs" does not sound like a feature. Promotionwise "Include" is a bit pale...

So why not market "Multi-Sourced Catalog" and interface with "Include External Catalog."

Multi-Sourced Catalog

An amazing customizable feature that allows users to organize and store frequently used locations, scripts, filters, searches, and programs. The Catalog also has corporate features allowing teams to include multiple external sources for sharing items, and permitting management or leads to control who can modify these items.

It's marketing - stretch the truth.

[admin]

I agree, "Include External Catalog" is good. Only "Catalog Including" or "Included Catalogs" does not sound like a feature. Promotionwise "Include" is a bit pale...

So why not market "Multi-Sourced Catalog" and interface with "Include External Catalog."

Multi-Sourced Catalog

An amazing customizable feature that allows users to organize and store frequently used locations, scripts, filters, searches, and programs. The Catalog also has corporate features allowing teams to include multiple external sources for sharing items, and permitting management or leads to control who can modify these items.

It's marketing - stretch the truth.

Finally you heard my begging! That's what I wanted all the time: polished copy+paste-ready blurb material.

However, it seems that Multisourcing is already used for something more specific:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multisourcing
Or is Multi-Sourced a free public domain English word?

[j_c_hallgren]

So why not market "Multi-Sourced Catalog" and interface with "Include External Catalog."

Welll...IF we're going to use "Include External" as part of description, THEN I'd prefer using the term "Consolidated" than "Multi-Sourced" as that doesn't really fit in as well and while non-native-English folks may not know consolidate as well, given the full accompanying blurb, it should be quite clear to anyone..and likely much clearer than Multi-Sourced.

However, it seems that Multisourcing is already used for something more specific:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multisourcing
Or is Multi-Sourced a free public domain English word?

I'd never really heard of that term and I'm a native English guy! So heaven help the rest of world!

There's somthing about having two words beginning with same letter that makes it easier flowing, at least to me...

[TheQwerty]

Welll...IF we're going to use "Include External" as part of description, THEN I'd prefer using the term "Consolidated" than "Multi-Sourced" as that doesn't really fit in as well and while non-native-English folks may not know consolidate as well, given the full accompanying blurb, it should be quite clear to anyone..and likely much clearer than Multi-Sourced.

I'm not sure Consolidated gets across the point as well. I really think "Multi-Sourced" is the most direct way to describe what is going on, and it's pretty easy to understand exactly what it means: The catalog consists of items from multiple sources.

I wouldn't worry about that wikipedia entry since it's a different context.

There's somthing about having two words beginning with same letter that makes it easier flowing, at least to me...

Normally I agree, but I feel in this case the hard sound starts of Catalog and Consolidated turn it ever-so-slightly into a bit of a tongue-twister.

[j_c_hallgren]

I'm not sure Consolidated gets across the point as well. I really think "Multi-Sourced" is the most direct way to describe what is going on, and it's pretty easy to understand exactly what it means: The catalog consists of items from multiple sources.

I've got a hard copy product catalog from a supplier of items for the hotel/motel industry...they make separate ones for the subset group products of this, like janitorial/furniture/etc...the complete one is called the consolidated catalog...and that's kinda of what we have here...that was my source for the idea of this word for XY.

Normally I agree, but I feel in this case the hard sound starts of Catalog and Consolidated turn it ever-so-slightly into a bit of a tongue-twister.

Maybe to your tongue but multi-sourced is more of a mouthful to me...

[admin]

I'm not sure Consolidated gets across the point as well. I really think "Multi-Sourced" is the most direct way to describe what is going on, and it's pretty easy to understand exactly what it means: The catalog consists of items from multiple sources.

I've got a hard copy product catalog from a supplier of items for the hotel/motel industry...they make separate ones for the subset group products of this, like janitorial/furniture/etc...the complete one is called the consolidated catalog...and that's kinda of what we have here...that was my source for the idea of this word for XY.

Normally I agree, but I feel in this case the hard sound starts of Catalog and Consolidated turn it ever-so-slightly into a bit of a tongue-twister.

Maybe to your tongue but multi-sourced is more of a mouthful to me...

Let's sleep a night over external and multi-sourced, but I'm sure that Combine does not work as well as Include so this will be exchanged now.

And I'm still sure that I have no idea what Consolidated means, sorry.

[j_c_hallgren]

And I'm still sure that I have no idea what Consolidated means, sorry.

You did read the definitions that I linked/provided on prior page, right?

I just looked it up in my hard copy dictionary here (American Heritage) and the applicable item was "To unite into one system or body; to combine; merge" so all these terms are in the same 'family' in one way.

In any case, yes, we need to ponder a bit on it...but trying to view from outside POV, if I saw "Consolidated Catalogs" on a product desc, I believe I'd have a quicker understanding of that compared to "Multi-Sourced Catalogs" which leaves me going "Huh?" more.

[avsfan]

On the previous page, "Joined" was being discussed, and Don had some very favorable comments about it. Then the discussion started after some other words. However, after reading the latest comments, I've got to say that I think I really like "Joined" the best of everything that's been mentioned, as it really seems (to me) to convey what's happening (and none of the others really resonate with me).

Just my little contribution...