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[j_c_hallgren]

I'll admit, I was confused by the meaning/function of the Shift+F5 combo.
It appeared to me that it was a toggle of the "Show" option, when it wasn't.

So making it clearer is definitely good idea...though, I might have used the text "Refresh showing folder sizes", which clarifies that it does a refresh plus showing size, which the other text does not. And the "for now" makes me think/ask: how long is now? Just once, or until I do it again?
By using the "Refresh" word, that to me states that it's a one-time deal.

I think that, plus a brief blurb in help/docs, would make it 110% clear.

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Topic #2: Additional entries saved in history: GOOD IDEA!
But...alternate suggestion: Allow USER to select nbr of entries saved (within limits 0-32) in place of existing "Forget history" option on Config.

This would be the more typical option I've seen in some other pgms.
Use "Nbr of History entries to save" maybe?
Of course, I'm still not sure what "forget history" does, as I set it on and my history is still there..at least while I'm still in pgm...or is it to forget on exit only? If so, "Clear History on Exit" would be better text in that case.

Some users may prefer only a few entries, so as maybe, to not obscure view of tree while showing, or for some other unexplained reason.

[jacky]

So making it clearer is definitely good idea...though, I might have used the text "Refresh showing folder sizes", which clarifies that it does a refresh plus showing size, which the other text does not. And the "for now" makes me think/ask: how long is now? Just once, or until I do it again?

hmm.. I agree I'm not sure the "for now" sounds so good. I for one wouldn't like the "refresh" idea either, since it implies that it's something XY usually do, and you'll just refreh it. I'd go for something like "Calculate folder sizes", I think it means will do it now, wont stay, etc

Of course, I'm still not sure what "forget history" does, as I set it on and my history is still there..

I think it means it wont be remembered yes. To clear it now you have to click on Go/Clear history

BTW it seems sometimes XY "forgets" a location, like if I use a favorite to go to R:\ and then quickly go to R:\Folder I will not have R:\ is the history. Don't know if it's something done on purpose or not, but it can be quite annoying/confusing at times, cause you hit back and aren't where you were before, but where you were before that. And it's not always just a parent folder like in my example, can be a completely different location

[j_c_hallgren]

I for one wouldn't like the "refresh" idea either, since it implies that it's something XY usually do, and you'll just refreh it. I'd go for something like "Calculate folder sizes", I think it means will do it now, wont stay, etc

Given that the term/phrase used to describe the display of folder sizes is "Show" (via the Shift), and that a refresh is implied (via the F5), and that we need to define that it is NOT a toggle (which the text w/o "for now" did, to me), but a one-time thing, that's why I combined the two.

Thus stating that you want a F5 refresh, but adding the 'Shift' Show folder size to it, so maybe "Refresh + Show Folder Sizes" or "Refresh & Show Folder Sizes"?
Remember, what we're trying to provide is only a clear hint of what action to do...the docs would spell out in a bit more detail exactly what is going on.

[CyGho]

Could some other all users, including newbies/dummies, comment, please.[/b] It's always good to hear a 2nd opinion.
My own suggestion still stands (while the wording can surely be improved):

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Auto-refresh on file system changes 
  Include network locations

For me it's only important to exclude (wireless) network locations and i mean mapped drives by that. XYplorer is totaly useless if i include wireles mapped drives. Well even if they are exlude it's way to slow on long listings but i need some functions XYplorer has witch Explorer has not.

[admin]

I'd go for something like "Calculate folder sizes", I think it means will do it now, wont stay, etc...

Hey, I came out of the shower this morning with exactly this idea! Maybe Shift+F5 is not optimal, because F5 implies Refresh, but I won't change it, it's in long enough to merit persistence.

BTW it seems sometimes XY "forgets" a location, like if I use a favorite to go to R:\ and then quickly go to R:\Folder I will not have R:\ is the history. Don't know if it's something done on purpose or not, but it can be quite annoying/confusing at times, cause you hit back and aren't where you were before, but where you were before that. And it's not always just a parent folder like in my example, can be a completely different location

Yes, it's on purpose! I added (20040903) a little time delay check to avoid that locations are added to the list, where you are only so short a time (hardcoded to < 2 sec) that it can not be considered "being there". It bugged me ever since!! Since it's not documented anyway, and with your kind permission, I just take it out again! It's just one of those "smart" features nobody needs...

[admin]

"Clear History on Exit"

Yep, that's it!

Some users may prefer only a few entries, so as maybe, to not obscure view of tree while showing, or for some other unexplained reason.

Naah, a touch too much "configurability" for my taste.

[admin]

Note: I have very little time at the moment. All your posts are read and will be answered, but a bit slower than usual...

Download the latest XYplorer BETA version (v4.40.0038, 10-jan-2006).

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v4.40.0038 - 10.01.06 09:35
    ! Toolbar, history buttons: fixed a number of glitches.
    * Toolbar, history buttons: now the arrow-dropdown-menus align to 
      the bottom left of the toolbar buttons, and with a second click on 
      the button you can close them.
    * Toolbar, history buttons, arrow-dropdown-menus: now the "back" 
      menu just shows previous history items, and the "fore" menu just 
      next history items. Just as you know it from other apps.
      The right-click context menu shows all history items.
    * Menu View: renamed "Show Folder Sizes for Now" to "Calculate 
      Folder Sizes".
    * Configuration/General: renamed "Forget history" to "Clear history 
      on exit".
    - Menu Go: removed "experimental new history feature" from 
      v3.60.0024 ("only if you stay at least 2 seconds in a location it 
      will be permanently stored in the history").
      Now every browsed location is uncondintionally added to the 
      history.

[JoDeCologne]

I believe the choices as I proposed would be clear and understandable by most all users, including newbies/dummies...

Could some other all users, including newbies/dummies, comment, please. It's always good to hear a 2nd opinion.
My own suggestion still stands (while the wording can surely be improved):

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Auto-refresh on file system changes 
  Include network locations

I like your solution best - it's easy to understand and, as far as I understand, technically sufficient.

[j_c_hallgren]

Ok, I'll concede..."Calculate Folder sizes" works for me as second choice...it's definitely better than original text..Thanks!!!

Notes to Admin/Don for the "whenever I'm bored and have a chance" list: 1) Add that string to the HELP file (and index) with a desc of what it does.
Also update the Keyboard shortcuts with revised text.
Which implies...another "fix" --> moving the desc of "F4" and "F5" from the Edit menu to View menu in the help file.
2) Remove "(menu Go)" from "Clear history on exit" because: Now that history is available via down-arrows, the Go menu ref is incorrect. And I think anyone would understand what history is and isn't...if not, clarify in Help file.

[admin]

2) Remove "(menu Go)" from "Clear history on exit" because: Now that history is available via down-arrows, the Go menu ref is incorrect. And I think anyone would understand what history is and isn't...if not, clarify in Help file.

Correct!

[admin]

Download the latest XYplorer BETA version (v4.40.0040, 11-jan-2006).

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v4.40.0040 - 11.01.06 22:02
    * Updated parts of the help file. Especially the Keyboard Shortcuts 
      and Mouse Tricks section, and some of the main menu commands. 
      There's still lot to do, I know.

[The_Dude]

Regardless of the wording, right now the Auto-refresh feature doesn't work.

I have all the boxes checked, and I still have to do "F4" every time to get the Tree updated with the changes.

Beta Version 33
WinXP Home SP2

PS I indeed ended up unchecking the Network box, because it did indeed slow up things.

[admin]

I have all the boxes checked, and I still have to do "F4" every time to get the Tree updated with the changes.

What kind of changes?

[The_Dude]

I have all the boxes checked, and I still have to do "F4" every time to get the Tree updated with the changes.

What kind of changes?

Usually a folder added or a folder deleted.

Sometimes CD-ROM or DVD-ROM changed.

[admin]

I have all the boxes checked, and I still have to do "F4" every time to get the Tree updated with the changes.

What kind of changes?

Usually a folder added or a folder deleted.

Sometimes CD-ROM or DVD-ROM changed.

Mystery. This function works since years.