Now the cache function is here...

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Now the cache function is here...

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Hi,

I would love to see the possibility to cach the file names, dates, size, modified, created, accessed and attr for a whole drive, togheter with the possibility to search through these cached files that the user just opened (after a save cached files).

For the moment i use Cathy, but the possibility to search for something is very limited. And another program is much to slow, i tried many in the past and i didn't like any of them, all of them where just to slow, Cathy is lightning fast so i use that, but i am limited with the search functions.

Now if that could be possible with xyplorer that would be great, just a simple function but a great time saver. I have multiple external hard drives, at the moment 8 if i'm not mistaken. Mostly they are all off, and when needed only one is on, i do that for multiple reasons, 1 reason is to save power, another reason is when something happens with that power, not all data is gone, and the backups are always save from power failures, and also to keep the temperature lower.

Cathy would be one of the best very small freeware programs if the search possibilities where not so limited. So what i would love to see is saving the file list to a cache file and load that cached drive when needed, and when the drive is connected, make it possible to work the same way as usual, when the drive is not connected just show a red text line "Drive not connected" and just make it possible to use all search possibilities within xyplorer.

The big other thing i'm waiting for: Synchronising! Over the years i didn't find any great synchronising program that fits me, or it works to slow, or the program is great, has lifetime free upgrades... BUT... it needs to be activated for the license to be active. Wel, i don't buy that kind of programs no matter how good they are, i keep that limited to the operating system (windows) and maybe 3 other very important programs to the max. I had enough trouble with that kind of programs in the past, i'm not that stupid anymore these days :p. From not being able to activate it anymore after a reformat because i had pc problems through a copy protected cd that really broke my cd-rom, and i'm not kidding here, it realy happened to me. The protection was called Starforce, the company i bought the cd from did not take it serious, but they removed the name "Starforce" in all there support pages to make their future customers blind, that's how i see it.

But i'm happy that i learned from those experiences, i save money now with staying only with the more useful programs, easy to use, and look for the great programs, when it's possible, small, fast working and just do what i need, and when possible, with lifetime free upgrades (i have many of those :D), xyplorer is the best, why? because i use it every day and it takes many hours of work to to a few minutes, one of those is the great and very fast search. Now if xyplorer could do this with cached filenames and information that would be a great update. If it could synchronise 2 or when possible even more folders, but keep it easy but very powerful (like on two columns, vertical row between the two columns, with on every line (file) 3 little buttons, 1 button to just synchronise it, another button to synchronise only to the left side, and another button to only synchronise to the right. At the top a row with thesame buttons for the standard function, and the other rows are for overriding the setting for a seperate file. Just as simple as that, with maybe a few powerful settings to make the whole proces even easier and faster to synchronise everything as it should be.

Sorry for making this so long, but is been a while since i left a message in here :D

Greetings,

Steve

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OK, but: ( :P )

1) You cannot search on cached search results -- simply because currently XY does not support searching on results again. So your dream died already at this point.

2) Further, if even (1) worked: The XYplorer search results cache is not made for handling whole drives. I don't know why people always confuse caching with indexing but these are very different things. The XY cache is made to hold relatively small results that were gained through a time-consuming search. Say you search your drives for all PDFs that were last modified in 2007 and are larger than 120KB. You find 423 files. That's were the cache shines! You store the results and never have to do the search again.

3) Once VFO is implemented (= soon...!), you can in fact search on a cached list, so if you really want to do it you can store your whole drive in a VFO and search it like any other location. But, I did not say it would be very fast... :)

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OK, but: ( :P )

1) I had another dream just after your response :D : ok, it's not possible to search on cached search results, but that fact didn't let my dream die, because... there is a visual filter possible. So i would say this: select an external drive, do a search for all files, including subfolders, save the cached search results.

Next day, open the cached search results (while that drive is not connected), do a visual filter for whatever filename you need to know that you already have or not on that drive (the name of the drive should also be cached and visible, this is also a good idea for usb drives and things like that).

I don't know if it's possible, but it would be very good if the visual filter could also be used to filter on dates, and if you could filter case-sensitive.

I think you don't know how powerful your own product is, i search every day, and some times i do already a search for all files on an external hard drive and it goes lightning fast, if i should do that with the build in search function in windows then that would be something else :D. Afcourse, i know from the beginning what i'm doing, i'm not gonna search all files on my c drive that is filled with thousands of very small files, but that is just the point, mostly there is no need for that, but there is a need for that for external drives, wich are most filled with the bigger files or complete backups.

What is VFO? even if searching on a cached list is possible, and it goes just as fast as a usual search would be it's even good for me if it would work when the external hard drive is not connected.

Edit: i know now a VFO is a virtual folder, but i don't see how searching on a cached list could be possible with a virtual folder, a virtual folder is just a link to an existing folder right? So if that existing folder is not there then it wouldn't work on an external hard drive/usb stick that is not connected, right? Or would the VFO function be more then just a link to a folder that already is there?

Any words on what would be possible with synchronising? i don't have any good application for that that is easy and fast to use and i think xyplorer can do that ;-).

If you make those 2 things possible, the day i can make use of those 2 functions, i give you a donation of 15 EURO ;).

Greetings,

Steve

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1) While XYplorer generally supports huge lists loading a list of more than say 100,000 is not really funny because it takes time. If your lists are smaller than you could indeed work it out with Visual Filters (VF). In one of the nxt versions I will rewrite VF from scratch so that VFs on Dates and other columns will be possible and lightning fast.

2) "a virtual folder is just a link to an existing folder right?" No, not in XYplorer. While real folders are defined by location, VFOs are defined either by rules (e.g. all items with a certain tag) or by an arbitrary list (any collection of items is possible here). E.g., you will be able to compile a simple list of file names manually in any editor and display it as virtual folder in XY, search it, preview the files, thumbnails, everything....

3) synchronising: is on my list for later (it's very easy to do).

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hmm the future looks awesome for xyplorer.

Did you get an operation on your brains in your life? maybe they put a quad core processor in there and the cpu of all 4 cores are working 100% all the time to put all these ideas in the most compact way and keep it user friendly for the user and tinking togheter to keep it at the speed as fast as possible.

We as users keeping you giving ideas but you seem to have the power to work on it the best way. There are so many applications that gets bloated with functions that are not really needed and the ones that are needed also making the application to run slower and slower while u seem to know what exactly is needed and how to keep it simple and make it work as fast as possible.

The day that point 1 or 2, and point 3 is possible you get your 15 euro :lol:

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itsme28m wrote:The day that point 1 or 2, and point 3 is possible you get your 15 euro :lol:
:mrgreen: I'll make you pay, no worries...

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admin wrote:3) Once VFO is implemented (= soon...!), you can in fact search on a cached list, so if you really want to do it you can store your whole drive in a VFO and search it like any other location. But, I did not say it would be very fast... :)
Well, it certainly would be much faster than getting the external drive out of laptop bag, plugging it in and waiting for it to get ready just to see if a file is on that drive or not! :P

To aid in this process, maybe the cache entry needs a separate timestamp as to when it was last refreshed? So user could determine if data is in fact a bit obsolete...
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j_c_hallgren wrote:
admin wrote:3) Once VFO is implemented (= soon...!), you can in fact search on a cached list, so if you really want to do it you can store your whole drive in a VFO and search it like any other location. But, I did not say it would be very fast... :)
Well, it certainly would be much faster than getting the external drive out of laptop bag, plugging it in and waiting for it to get ready just to see if a file is on that drive or not! :P

To aid in this process, maybe the cache entry needs a separate timestamp as to when it was last refreshed? So user could determine if data is in fact a bit obsolete...
cache entry? You mean in the Templates dialog?

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admin wrote:cache entry? You mean in the Templates dialog?
Not sure where it would be best, and will presume you'll know, but presuming one has captured a list to a cache, knowing how old that list/result is would seem to be quite useful to know if results may still be valid...like in SyncBack, I can see date/time of when I last ran a particular backup "job" in a status display.
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j_c_hallgren wrote:
admin wrote:cache entry? You mean in the Templates dialog?
Not sure where it would be best, and will presume you'll know, but presuming one has captured a list to a cache, knowing how old that list/result is would seem to be quite useful to know if results may still be valid...like in SyncBack, I can see date/time of when I last ran a particular backup "job" in a status display.
OK, the date is already stored in the cache file (open it and see). If I have an idea where to show it I will.

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admin wrote:OK, the date is already stored in the cache file (open it and see). If I have an idea where to show it I will.
Date and time right? Anyway, presuming VFO's will show somewhere like in Catalog, maybe having timestamp show on entry hover would be a place to start? And for those who keyboard, within Properties seems a logical place...
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