New "File Tags" feature

[serendipity]

Actually, if you edit the tag name to nothing then you have the entire tag column filled with color only and since you dont use autoresize that wil lsuit you better than symbol i guess.

hmm... you mean using "Tag Column (Label)" instead of Symbol? Yeah, it wouldn't look as bad I guess, but I like the symbol thing better, plus I like to have names for my tags, too (And a column slightly smaller certainly wouldn't be a bad thing in my book)

I agree that column could be smaller, Don seems to have an idea in meantime. Lets see.
And yeah, i too realized that naming tags would make sorting functional.

serendipity, you can see it already in 0072!

Yes, i do. In between hunting the crash bug you have already added some more features to tags. WOW, you are super fast.

[j_c_hallgren]

Using v74, I'm noticing that I can chg tag/comments on files other than the focus/selected one...while this may well be nice, I'm also wondering if it's ideal, as one could thus somewhat easily chg values for a file that is not the intended one....comments?

Also, doesn't this somewhat reduce the amount of "white space" avail to click for other functions? Or am I totally off on this aspect due to late hour?

Unrelated question: Why does Tags TB icon have color choices avail on both left and right click? Wouldn't right click just be used to config it and left click to use it? I got confused for a min as to which click I'd used....again, maybe just me..

[jjk]

I'm also wondering if it's ideal, as one could thus somewhat easily chg values for a file that is not the intended one....comments?

I agree, I have surprised myself many times to modify tag involuntarily. More, I was unable to remember if the tag modified file had any tag before, and which tag.

Wouldn't right click just be used to config it and left click to use it?

Yes, it is confusing. But I noticed that, e.g. yellow being default tag, using right-click then choosing e.g. blue tag applies blue tag to selected file(s), but default tag remains unchanged (yellow). So it is a mean to apply tag other than default one, remaining this one.
Finally I wonder how to manage tag TB to satisfy everybody in all cases...

[jacky]

Which bring up the issue: When we delete/rename/move a file with a tag, what happens to the tag entry? How does that stay in sync?

I'm sure XY will maintain sync on his own, as long as items are moved/renamed within XY of course, just like it does with boxed branches or folder highlight for example.

jacky, sorry but where did I ever say col hdr?

Okay, sorry about that then. I thought you meant column header and selected items, hence why I replied and compared it to other columns' behavior which, except for Name (and now Tag/Comment), only support right-click on column-header.

Using v74, I'm noticing that I can chg tag/comments on files other than the focus/selected one...while this may well be nice, I'm also wondering if it's ideal, as one could thus somewhat easily chg values for a file that is not the intended one....comments?

Well I disagree here, I think it's great one can edit comments of different items one after the other without having to first select it. And, with the item's name on the input window there shouldn't be no problem as to which item we're setting comments for.

Why I really don't like however, is that it is triggered on a simple left-click. Tag or comments, this behavior I find quite irritating (and that's especially true since now a single click on List even when XY wasn't focused does register as a click) and if it's here to stay I will loudly wish for a tweak to turn that off. On right-click that's a really great/useful thing I think, and I can't wait to have to be able to assign scripts for those and other columns as well, but on a left click I really don't like it at all.

Unrelated question: Why does Tags TB icon have color choices avail on both left and right click? Wouldn't right click just be used to config it and left click to use it? I got confused for a min as to which click I'd used....again, maybe just me..

Probably just you And the left-click doesn't give you a choice AFAIK, unless you click the little arrow on the right. Which isn't unusual, see the Back/Forward buttons which I believe work the same : (left-)click triggers an action, right-click or left-click on the little arrow pops up a menu. And, as jjk noted, through right-click it doesn't change the value of Last Tag.

[j_c_hallgren]

Unrelated question: Why does Tags TB icon have color choices avail on both left and right click?

Probably just you And the left-click doesn't give you a choice AFAIK, unless you click the little arrow on the right.

Once again, I wasn't specific enough (blame the time when I posted?)...I was actually referring to left/right click on the assoc arrow.

Having same options show via right click on icon and arrow (while similar to other icons maybe) seems redundant and I don't get why this is beneficial..sorry.

Also, maybe I'm having a bad day, but I still don't see a diff in how picking colors via either of those gets diff results...I'll keep trying.

[jacky]

Once again, I wasn't specific enough (blame the time when I posted?)...I was actually referring to left/right click on the assoc arrow.

Maybe I'm having a bad day, but I still don't see a diff in how picking colors via either of those gets diff results...I'll keep trying.

Okay, so let's recap a little shall we, to be sure we're all on the same page : On TB buttons, there are usually two possible actions : left click & right click. Some buttons have another action, with the little arrow on the left (e.g. Back, or Tags) Then you have three actions : left click on button, left click on arrow, or right click. A right click on button or arrow is the same.

So no, there's no difference between a right-click and a left-click on the little arrow, but then again that's not really an unusual behavior. We could do without the arrow, but since it makes sense to have one (esp. for newbies who might not know/forget about the right click), there's one. Same goes with the Back button for instance.

[serendipity]

Unrelated question: Why does Tags TB icon have color choices avail on both left and right click?

Probably just you And the left-click doesn't give you a choice AFAIK, unless you click the little arrow on the right.

Once again, I wasn't specific enough (blame the time when I posted?)...I was actually referring to left/right click on the assoc arrow.

Having same options show via right click on icon and arrow (while similar to other icons maybe) seems redundant and I don't get why this is beneficial..sorry.

Also, maybe I'm having a bad day, but I still don't see a diff in how picking colors via either of those gets diff results...I'll keep trying.

There is a slight difference:
Eg. I tag an item with green color using left click. The toolbar icon changes to green.
I tag an item with orange color using right click. The toolbar icon remains green (i.e. does NOT change to orange).
Might be useful in certain situations.

[j_c_hallgren]

Okay, so let's recap a little shall we, to be sure we're all on the same page :
So no, there's no difference between a right-click and a left-click on the little arrow,

Ok, but I see now a total of 4 possible choices, of which two get same results:
1) Left click on icon = apply current w/o choices
2) Right click on icon = pick color + set config opts
3) Left click on arrow = pick color
4) Right click on arrow = pick color + set config opts

I was suggesting that #4 (rt-clk on arrow) would only have set config opts...because as is, it seems that we have three ways to set color choice, and I think two ways is more than enough...at least to me...and those two ways allow either a set of default (via #2) or not (#3) which may likely be reverse of current for those two, but which seems more logical as #2 has the config opts as well.

And I'm strictly referring to TB, not to any choices while on file itself, or via menu options.

[jacky]

Yeah, but right-click on arrow isn't really an action, the action is right-click - on the whole thing. There's a button, sometimes a little arrow on the right, and a ctxt menu on right-click. And since only a few buttons have such an arrow, I don't see any reason to complicate things (for no real benefit).

[admin]

The current TB button clicking behavior is Windows standard AFAIK. At least I find it totally natural, and it has always been like this in XY with "arrow buttons".

The difference between the left and right click tag choice is that only the left choice will update the button's default tag (when you hit the button itself). That's a feature and it's good.

[j_c_hallgren]

The difference between the left and right click tag choice is that only the left choice will update the button's default tag (when you hit the button itself). That's a feature and it's good.

I'm sorry but, as I wrote before, I find the use of left-click to update the default tag and the right-click to not do so somewhat backwards...because the extra choices related to config are avail via the right-click and setting a default is a config type opt, ok? That's the correlation, IMO.

Because I could see myself wanting to apply a color w/o affecting setting more often than wanting to chg default, and given that right-clicks on a touchpad sys are slightly more awkward, having that reserved to set default makes (IMHO) more sense, in addition to above.

In addition, right-click on actual tag for selected file sets the default so that behavior is then inconsistent with TB usage, ok?

[jacky]

I find the use of left-click to update the default tag and the right-click to not do so somewhat backwards...because the extra choices related to config are avail via the right-click and setting a default is a config type opt, ok? That's the correlation, IMO.

Well I disagree. The standard, in XY as well as elsewhere, is that a left-click is a default/"standard" action, while a right-click triggers a secondary/optional action. Case in point, in XY all TB buttons have an std action on left-click, and a popup menu on right-click with additional actions.
The left arrow is a way to present a menu of std actions, much like with Back where the arrow presents the History. It still remains a left-click, "standard" action, and that's why it updates the Last Tag value. The right-click on the other hand is a way to get extra options, such as config or indeed the ability to set a tag without affecting the Last Tag value, something that isn't the standard behavior - hence while it's being triggered on right-click.

[jacky]

I like the new options, except for one thing that I feel is a bug : I have "Toggle tags by Tag column click" disabled, and only "Popup by Tag/Cmt column right-click" enabled. I was expecting to set comments/tags by right click while left-click wouldn't do anything. But right now a left-click on the Tag column does like a right-click and pops up the Tag menu.

Another thing: on the Comment menu, another option "Remove Comment" would be nice I think.

[admin]

I like the new options, except for one thing that I feel is a bug : I have "Toggle tags by Tag column click" disabled, and only "Popup by Tag/Cmt column right-click" enabled. I was expecting to set comments/tags by right click while left-click wouldn't do anything. But right now a left-click on the Tag column does like a right-click and pops up the Tag menu.

Another thing: on the Comment menu, another option "Remove Comment" would be nice I think.

Oh, damn. Bug.
And yes, good idea.

[jacky]

If you could add a tooltip for comments, when they're truncated, it'd be great.

(Actually, just testing this it looks like only column Name has tooltip when data isn't fully shown, maybe this should be added for all columns ?)