Dual Pane - Formal Proposal Thread

[Mesh]

Mesh, it is obvious YOU ARE NOT A SOFTWARE DEVELOPER.
You can't understand because you are not someone who sits in isolation for hours coding, editing, testing, recompiling...

This man is an artist.

Imagine someone asking Picasso to paint a portrait for his daughter's wedding, saying "It doesn't look like her; as a great artist, can you paint something like a Michaelangelo?"

Can't you understand??

His HEART is not into dual-pane!

Everything that you have said about why you believe in XYplorer, the dedication, the focus, will NEVER be into a dual-pane implementation!

But you don't care about the artist's definition of reality, do you?

You're really into overdramatizing everything, aren't you?

Well, to respond...


First of all, while I am not a professional developer, I have done my share of coding. Which you didn't know, but felt free to assume, apparently.

And I find it interesting how *you* are deciding that Don won't be putting in a quality effort. I'm sensing a pattern here, as you do seem to have a penchant for deciding not only what other people have done, but also what people will do.

I further enjoyed the dramatization of turning a file manager into a "definition of reality".


With respect, I think you need to try decaf.


Don was clear that this was an experiment to him - while I don't expect his heart to be fully in this yet, I take him at his word that he's going to give this a fair shake, and see how it turns out. Which means that it's completely conceivable that he'll end up loving it later on.

What people like or don't like is never defined in absolute, nor is it ever static. Part of what makes XY so great is its continued growth and development, but you seem to have a problem with Don experimenting with something new. You can't have it both ways.


There are a lot of people who are looking forward to seeing this feature implemented. Please don't be so selfish as to say that a feature is only worthwhile if it means something to you.

[Custer]

Mesh, the people who matter will take notice of my comments.

Best wishes,
Custer.

[Mesh]

Mesh, the people who matter will take notice of my comments.

Best wishes,
Custer.

<sigh>

Never mind - decaf won't fix what's wrong.

[Custer]

Have a nice day, Mesh.

[j_c_hallgren]

I'm on Mesh's side here...I see DP as a feature that many other file managers have and which, if added, could and may well greatly increase the marketability (and sales) of XY which would be to Don's benefit, but would also allow us to use XY for almost all of our tasks instead of just most all tasks...why should we have to purchase or use a competing product when XY may be able to do it all without affecting any current users?

There are numerous features in XY that others here depend on greatly and which I don't use and may never use, but am I in a position to say that these features are unneeded? No way! And XY attempts to match Win Expl features, so why is that needed based on Custer's line of thinking, in a way? Because you need to be able to match the competition and surpass it to have a fully winning product, and that's what we are attempting to do, IMHO.

So what if XY gets DP? If you want to use it in single pane, fine...you should still get what you're used to...but it'll be there if you want it, which is not true now...

I'm sure that any efforts made to add DP will be rewarded by new users who would never look at XY when it's non-DP, and that will just add to the folks who can spread the word about XY to others.

[Fedorov]

^^^^^^^ what he said ^^^^^^^^

[RalphM]

Why is it, that the discussion about DP always seems to bring the temper of the individuals involved to the surface and then sometimes even gets offending.
I'm on Mesh's side, it's just another addition of functionality to an already exceptional program, so let's stick to the facts and see where it'll lead us.

[admin]

Why is it, that the discussion about DP always seems to bring the temper of the individuals involved to the surface and then sometimes even gets offending.

Maybe because it is not just a feature... ... I know that you can see it as a feature but for many people it's loaded with ideology.

Interesting read including some insights into the history of the tree:
http://www.willyhoops.com/microsoft_vs_ ... istory.htm

[Mesh]

Maybe because it is not just a feature... ... I know that you can see it as a feature but for many people it's loaded with ideology.

Perhaps. But you could apply the same thought to side mirrors for automobiles. It's technically a feature - especially to have them on both sides, given some older cars - but it's now considered a standard requirement, because the advantages far outweigh any disadvantages.


In any case, perhaps it's time to ground ourselves again to the goal in question.

It's been a while since anyone had anything new to contribute to the proposal as it stands (v1.19) - which makes it pretty stable. I assume that the people reading this thread who are interested in dual pane are therefore, for the most part, comfortable with the current specs.


Is it time for you to chime in and give us your opinion (if not judgment) on the current state of this issue? Or would you prefer to wait a bit longer?

[admin]

Is it time for you to chime in and give us your opinion (if not judgment) on the current state of this issue? Or would you prefer to wait a bit longer?

I'll first finish the remaining unicode stuff.

[Mesh]

I'll first finish the remaining unicode stuff.

Gotcha.

[Custer]

[quote="Mesh"][quote="admin"]

Maybe because it is not just a feature... ... I know that you [b]can [/b]see it as a feature but for many people it's loaded with [b]ideology[/b].

[/quote]


Perhaps. But you could apply the same thought to side mirrors for automobiles. It's technically a feature - especially to have them on both sides, given some older cars - but it's now considered a standard requirement, because the advantages far outweigh any disadvantages.


In any case, perhaps it's time to ground ourselves again to the goal in question.

It's been a while since anyone had anything new to contribute to the proposal as it stands (v1.19) - which makes it pretty stable. I assume that the people reading this thread who are interested in dual pane are therefore, for the most part, comfortable with the current specs.


Is it time for you to chime in and give us your opinion (if not judgment) on the current state of this issue? Or would you prefer to wait a bit longer?[/quote]
You people just keep pushing, don't you?
Like the Goose that laid the Golden Egg.

LOL.

[Mesh]

You people just keep pushing, don't you?
Like the Goose that laid the Golden Egg.

LOL.

Custer, I genuinely don't know what your problem is. Don already agreed to this. Do you get it? We're not pushing anything. He already said he would do this, our job is to come up with an outline of what we want and how it will be integrated.

Thus, that is what we're doing.


Once again, since you appear to have difficulty with this concept:


Don approve
+
Don give us job to do
+
We do it

= Not pushing.



I won't speak for anyone else, but speaking for myself - if you have something worthwhile to contribute, than you're more than welcome to do so. But if you have nothing but negativity and sniping to offer, and don't even want to try to understand what's going on, do everyone a favor and take your vitriol elsewhere. We have a job to do.

[j_c_hallgren]

Custer, I genuinely don't know what your problem is. Don already agreed to this. Do you get it? We're not pushing anything. He already said he would do this, our job is to come up with an outline of what we want and how it will be integrated.

I concur with Mesh on this...in my case, it's also somewhat based on what was said during a phone call that I made to Don many months ago...seems I was the first user to actually make that type of contact, and he was very pleasant to talk to! Wish I could do so again at least once or twice, but the number I had doesn't work anymore...maybe that was at old address?

After that timeframe, there was some regression back to not doing DP, but I believe that was more the result of how certain users/people approched the topic (i.e. "I must have DP now or else XY is a POS!) instead of how Mesh is doing it, which is (IMO) very businesslike and professional, and thus helps develop a plan which Don may follow if he wishes, but which has been discussed and reviewed by various users, including myself, who firmly believes that DP will pay off in sales growth.

Ok, so there are other unique things and features that other products have that may come first on roadmap...that's just fine with me, as long as it's still planned somewhere sometime!

[thebadbadwolf]

Never mind - decaf won't fix what's wrong.

This Mesh seems to be one of the most intolerant guys, big-headed and arrogant.

I think decaf won't work for you either. Maybe one should try it with a slap in your face. Would you do me a favor and try it, Mesh?