The Glider™

Please check the FAQ (https://www.xyplorer.com/faq.php) before posting a question...
Post Reply
admin
Site Admin
Posts: 64827
Joined: 22 May 2004 16:48
Location: Win8.1, Win10, Win11, all @100%
Contact:

Re: The Glider™

Post by admin »

highend wrote: 05 Sep 2023 12:52 Extending the icons to the right side (as an option) would be a working solution as well (you can still tell they belong to the tree because of the border of the hovered folder there)
Not possible. As it's done now the glider must be within the tree.

admin
Site Admin
Posts: 64827
Joined: 22 May 2004 16:48
Location: Win8.1, Win10, Win11, all @100%
Contact:

Re: The Glider™

Post by admin »

zakhar wrote: 05 Sep 2023 12:57 I often come into the space somewhere between folders and do not see the Glider,
so that it is not "using Glider", it is "searching for and catching Glider".
Don't understand. There is no inactive space in between.

highend
Posts: 14561
Joined: 06 Feb 2011 00:33
Location: Win Server 2022 @100%

Re: The Glider™

Post by highend »

Not possible. As it's done now the glider must be within the tree.
Then it's unusable if you have a narrow tree
1.png
1.png (2.18 KiB) Viewed 1704 times
One of my scripts helped you out? Please donate via Paypal

zakhar
Posts: 171
Joined: 08 Sep 2010 21:13

Re: The Glider™

Post by zakhar »

admin wrote: 05 Sep 2023 13:33
zakhar wrote: 05 Sep 2023 12:57 space somewhere between folders
no inactive space in between
This is the consequnce of the too narrow activation area.
May be technically there is no horizontal space between folders,
but if the mouse cursor is placed very near of the invisible or imaginable horizontal border line (see the screenshot),
then I say the mouse cursor is placed between folders.
Attachments
screen.jpg
screen.jpg (91.9 KiB) Viewed 1696 times

admin
Site Admin
Posts: 64827
Joined: 22 May 2004 16:48
Location: Win8.1, Win10, Win11, all @100%
Contact:

Re: The Glider™

Post by admin »

highend wrote: 05 Sep 2023 14:16 Then it's unusable if you have a narrow tree
Wait for the next beta...

admin
Site Admin
Posts: 64827
Joined: 22 May 2004 16:48
Location: Win8.1, Win10, Win11, all @100%
Contact:

Re: The Glider™

Post by admin »

zakhar wrote: 05 Sep 2023 14:46 then I say the mouse cursor is placed between folders.
Cannot reproduce.

admin
Site Admin
Posts: 64827
Joined: 22 May 2004 16:48
Location: Win8.1, Win10, Win11, all @100%
Contact:

Re: The Glider™

Post by admin »

Appetizer...
Attachments
GliderScripts.png
GliderScripts.png (7.18 KiB) Viewed 1678 times

xy123
Posts: 208
Joined: 17 Sep 2017 11:46
Location: Win10 64-bit, @100%

Re: The Glider™

Post by xy123 »

The last beta is awesome, I only wish an option for the Glider to be static - not moving away from me, always in the same place, basically to turn off this:
The glider will now appear at a position where the mouse pointer is over its non-clickable area to prevent accidental clicks.
Never made an accidental click, but I made a lot of missed clicks since above was added.

admin
Site Admin
Posts: 64827
Joined: 22 May 2004 16:48
Location: Win8.1, Win10, Win11, all @100%
Contact:

Re: The Glider™

Post by admin »

Too risky.

What is the button you want to click right away?

klownboy
Posts: 4397
Joined: 28 Feb 2012 19:27
Location: Windows 11, 25H2 Build 26200.7171 at 100% 2560x1440

Re: The Glider™

Post by klownboy »

I'm really liking beta 24.90.0106 so many options like going vertical. Info for others, to load a script file, use the same syntax you see in the ini file for CEAs:
GliderScript="load "D:\Tools\XYplorer\Scripts\TabsHomeCloseRightofRoaming.xys""

xy123
Posts: 208
Joined: 17 Sep 2017 11:46
Location: Win10 64-bit, @100%

Re: The Glider™

Post by xy123 »

admin wrote: 05 Sep 2023 16:51 What is the button you want to click right away?
Right now, it's a script button (browse subfolders with menuApp.exe), but it's easier to hit any button, when they are always at exactly the same pixel space.

xy123
Posts: 208
Joined: 17 Sep 2017 11:46
Location: Win10 64-bit, @100%

Re: The Glider™

Post by xy123 »

Btw, Glider stays open when I click the script button. Maybe because I use an app which shows a menu when launched?

Code: Select all

GliderScript="::run """D:\menuApp\menuApp.exe"" ""<g_path>""";"
EDIT: It's probably because it steals the focus from XY.
Last edited by xy123 on 05 Sep 2023 17:56, edited 1 time in total.

admin
Site Admin
Posts: 64827
Joined: 22 May 2004 16:48
Location: Win8.1, Win10, Win11, all @100%
Contact:

Re: The Glider™

Post by admin »

I know. I'm not sure if that's a good thing.

PS: the focus steal was a bug. Fix comes.

Filehero
Posts: 2713
Joined: 27 Feb 2012 18:50
Location: Windows 11@100%

Re: The Glider™

Post by Filehero »

I like it. :-)

Nevertheless, I'm still thinking about a way how to offer new (feature) users a hint to the activation zone (of course, only when activated). Maybe some faint something can be shown when hovering over the tree nodes (the labels or a certain region).

It's less of a wish, more about the challenge to point to something (unusual) yet invisible. But maybe it's a dead end and waste of brain effort.

eil
Posts: 1814
Joined: 13 Jan 2011 19:44

Re: The Glider™

Post by eil »

Really like all the options in latest beta, changing shape is especially cool! the only thing left uncomfortable for me is targetting:
1. Targetting exactly most left or most right sometimes means to move quite far from actual folder(when your tree is not narrow). Funny thing is, unlike highend, i'd say current implementation best works with narrow tree, as it gets activated only on borders which is not on the item but rather close to it.
2. No visual clue where to target for menu to appear, and if you're still targetting same item while moving cursor to most-left/-right border. I'd say if user already activated the feature, one would want to have better "visual targetting" = where and what exactly is the active zone.

Additional things IMO may be considered to add:
- when nothing is selected in List, all buttons are disabled = so when hovering on buttons, tips probably should say smth like "Nothing is selected in List" to let user understand why those are greyed-out;
- right-click on buttons still does an action, while it should either do nothing or maybe call usual right-click on folder menu;
- after left-clicked on some button and operation happened, maybe Glider should hide depicting that you actually did that action = when glider stay as if you didn't click anything, it looks like nothing ever happened. Surely if user moves cursor away and back on same position Gliderwould again show for same folder.
Win 7 SP1 x64 100% 1366x768|1900x1080

Post Reply