admin wrote:Check the target with less than 4 keystrokes: menu Go | Go To Last Target (Ctrl+Alt+F7)
Not sure how that helps, I'm in the target after the paste - what am I missing??
admin wrote:... But if this mistake happens to you regularly,...
No it (so far) has never happened to me but a friend of mine kept doing it with her business software and deleting all the days input. She didn't know about a backup facility from within the software package and was doing the "backup" from Windows Explorer - and that is how her accountant recommended she did it. Having been shown the backup by me, she now uses that so, hopefully, the problem has gone away (and so should her accountant!).
admin wrote:... it might be time for a new cool revolutionary sales-raising security feature in XY: a configurable list of forbidden file operations!
A configurable list of forbidden file operations, an interesting thought - a "Do you really want to do this?" feature.
j_c_hallgren wrote:...I think the bulk of this post relates to another issue besides dual-pane! Talking about how a tree works to locate folders is NOT in any way related to DP, IMHO,...
Just try navigating a tree with the keyboard - it's a joke!! As for Catalogue and Favourite - no use to people who visit dozens of different directories daily, they are designed for users with a few regular directories.
I was simply trying to separate what I see as two distinct issues, since in Xplorer2, I can toggle dual-pane on/off and also toggle tree view on/off, so that was my basis for comment...
Still spending WAY TOO much time here! But it's such a pleasure helping XY be a treasure!
(XP on laptop with touchpad and thus NO mouse!) Using latest beta vers when possible.
As an alternative to going the full dual pane route, why not do what File Manager used to do (and other alternatives do today - FileBoss, AccelMan, etc.) and provide a Windows Menu option to cascade tabs, tile horizontally, tile vertically, etc.? Of course, I'm not a coder so while this seem reasonable to me, it may not be trivial!
Just a thought... Doing the above remains true to the tabbed interface while providing a functional dual pane option without (I think) having to code a dual pane option (?)...
PS Apologies if this has been suggested already... I read the thread some time ago but this thought just occurred to me and I posted it without revisiting other comments
Darwin wrote:As an alternative to going the full dual pane route, why not do what File Manager used to do (and other alternatives do today - FileBoss, AccelMan, etc.) and provide a Windows Menu option to cascade tabs, tile horizontally, tile vertically, etc.? Of course, I'm not a coder so while this seem reasonable to me, it may not be trivial!
Just a thought... Doing the above remains true to the tabbed interface while providing a functional dual pane option without (I think) having to code a dual pane option (?)...
PS Apologies if this has been suggested already... I read the thread some time ago but this thought just occurred to me and I posted it without revisiting other comments
Hi Darwin (my favorite scientist!),
I currently have the impression that more and more people are ready to leave DP behind and begin to understand the power of multitabs. I never liked DP and said so more than once, now -- finally! -- time is on my side. So, thanks for the idea, but there is not need for it anymore.
BTW, tiled tabs or DP is near-identical from the coding perspective.
Ah... nevermind then! I *sort of* suspected that this was so (dual pane versus tiled windows being near identical from a coding perspecitve - only makes sense!), but thought I'd throw it out there anyway. As I've mentioned in posts about dual-pane versus tabs over at donationcoder, the issue isn't so much about XYplorer being limited by the absence of dual-pane as it is about learning how to accomplish "dual pane" tasks using XYPlorer's tabbed interface. I don't *think* that there is anything that one can do in a dual-pane manager that one cannot do just as easily/conveniently/efficiently in XYplorer.\
Anyway, thank you for the quick response (and for XYplorer, of course!).
admin wrote:I currently have the impression that more and more people are ready to leave DP behind and begin to understand the power of multitabs. I never liked DP and said so more than once, now -- finally! -- time is on my side. So, thanks for the idea, but there is not need for it anymore.
Well, as a very loyal and dedicated user of XY, I'm unfortunately not ready to leave DP behind for all tasks!
As I've stated before, there are certain (luckily rarely occuring, in my case) tasks that I feel I just can NOT do without a DP setup, and so I have to resort to using x2 for that, which I don't prefer to do, as I rather stay "at home" in XY ...and those tasks are typically when I need to manually sync two folders that are not similar in naming structure.
Darwin wrote:the issue isn't so much about XYplorer being limited by the absence of dual-pane as it is about learning how to accomplish "dual pane" tasks using XYPlorer's tabbed interface. I don't *think* that there is anything that one can do in a dual-pane manager that one cannot do just as easily/conveniently/efficiently in XYplorer.\
See my comment above! I challenge anyone to sync two folders (whose file names and sizes differ enough to make automated compares unworkable) to do so as easily in XY as one can do in x2 or another DP setup...that's the main reason I would use a DP setup in XY...and when I'm creating the contents of the above folders.
Still spending WAY TOO much time here! But it's such a pleasure helping XY be a treasure!
(XP on laptop with touchpad and thus NO mouse!) Using latest beta vers when possible.
Darwin wrote:As I've mentioned in posts about dual-pane versus tabs over at donationcoder, the issue isn't so much about XYplorer being limited by the absence of dual-pane as it is about learning how to accomplish "dual pane" tasks using XYPlorer's tabbed interface.
I have to agree with j_c,
Multiple tabs does not match up to dual panes. Especially for comparisons tasks. I'm in exactly the same circumstance; i have to abandon XYplorer for certain tasks.
Multiple tabs does not accomplish the same as a dual pane view; it merely means you can operate in multiple locations in isolation easier, not at the same time!
Hovering isn't enough either
There's a reason all the major explorer replacements have dual pane options, and there's a reason people are begging for its inclusion in XY. It really would make the application so much better and will mean i have to stop switching file explorers so often.
Darwin wrote:As I've mentioned in posts about dual-pane versus tabs over at donationcoder, the issue isn't so much about XYplorer being limited by the absence of dual-pane as it is about learning how to accomplish "dual pane" tasks using XYPlorer's tabbed interface.
Please, don't take this as a gross or offensively argumentative reply. The argument you present above is a flimsy one in fact, although this program feature is fine indeed. I am absolutely sure XYplorer users like it, but I have to agree with 'spamalan' when he asserts it doesn't match up to dual panes. And I can't understand why you resist implementing it, as smart a guy as you are. Maybe the implementation involves much hard programming and code change work (I cannot tell, since I am no programmer). And I dare going as far as saying that, once implemented, you sure would draw more interest (and have perhaps much more monetary gain) to it.
Don, my problem also is the visual comparison of files for manual sync. Tabs just don't work in this scenario - not at all (
My solution from a coding standpoint would be to have one tree list and two tab panes, one which turns on and off. The tree list then operates on whichever tab pane is active. If you're dynamically creating the tab panes it seems like so little work to make it happen.
FYI on sales figures: I bought XY before I knew of your despise of dual-file-lists, hoping it was a future feature. I am not unhappy with my purchase, but if I had known of your dislike of dual pane beforehand, I likely wouldn't have purchased it... Now that I have used it for quite some time, I still have need of dual file lists, but make due with dual XY instances.
Maybe you should contact all of your customers who have purchased XY and ask if they still use XY, and if, in their opinion, dual panes are needed and why?
KyferEz wrote:My solution from a coding standpoint would be to have one tree list and two tab panes, one which turns on and off. The tree list then operates on whichever tab pane is active. If you're dynamically creating the tab panes it seems like so little work to make it happen.
I realize that it wasn't the best solution, but did you happen to see the mock-up JPG that I posted to this thread back in Nov 07 (page 1)? It's a variant of what you said above...
Still spending WAY TOO much time here! But it's such a pleasure helping XY be a treasure!
(XP on laptop with touchpad and thus NO mouse!) Using latest beta vers when possible.
Yes, Jeff, sometimes I've wondered the same thing...and here's a analogy that might make it clear why it's SO important in some cases:
Suppose you have a printed list of the members of a small club, and it's organized by "last name, first name, initial" sequence and also has their phone nbrs on it...ok, fine so far...
But at the next club meeting, no one has the list, so as people come in, a new list is made but people hand write names in "first, last", and then there are some new members who were not on the prior printed list, plus some members don't show up...and some use their middle names when they sign in, but that's ok as you can tell by the last name and initial..
You job is to update the printed list using the info from the handwritten one...and if a new member was there, add it, and/or update their phone nbrs...no problem so far...however, you're then told at the club office that you can only look at either the printed list -OR- the handwritten one, but not both at the same time!
You say: Huh? What? And you know it'll take quite a while longer than needed as you have to keep switching between the two lists, because you can't see both of them together...however, you know that if you take the lists home, you can see them together, but that involves extra time.
Now compare this to XY...I've had a vaguely similar issue before, except that it was the file names that were not matchable except visually due to the differences in naming used, and some files were unmatched and needed to be moved to other folder.
That's the best analogy that I can think of for now, and while it doesn't happen often, when it does, there shouldn't be a need to use another product that gives dual view.
Still spending WAY TOO much time here! But it's such a pleasure helping XY be a treasure!
(XP on laptop with touchpad and thus NO mouse!) Using latest beta vers when possible.
j_c_hallgren wrote:I realize that it wasn't the best solution, but did you happen to see the mock-up JPG that I posted to this thread back in Nov 07 (page 1)? It's a variant of what you said above...
Almost exactly what I envisioned, except I see there being tabs above the lower file view pane as well
One other thing I didn't mention earlier about making due with two instances of XY: I don't like it. It's slow and clumsy. How? I either have to manually tile the two windows or do the following process: minimize all windows, restore both XYs, right click the taskbar, click tile horizontally. Yuck and Yuck.
It's just my opinion, but I figure it should count for something as I bought the software, and I RARELY buy software. When I say RARELY, I mean maybe once every 1 or 2 *YEARS*, and that is counting software I have to buy to do my work. Even then I'll try to find something I can use that's open source/free before I buy.
Sincerely,
KyferEz
PS Don, don't take anything I've said badly. I'm just offering my viewpoint from my standing. I love how responsive you are to most ideas, and aside from this issue, love XY. Correct this and find a way of doing this and I'll be blissfully happy with XY.
Jeff Bellune wrote:When you need to visually compare 2 folders side-by-side, what do *you* do, since XY isn't dual-pane?
Honestly, I never had to! And with my work style and data organization, I cannot imagine a situation where I would need it. My folders are all different. I know that, I don't need to look.
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Talking about how a tree works to locate folders is NOT in any way related to DP, IMHO,...
...and those tasks are typically when I need to manually sync two folders that are not similar in naming structure.