How about Total Commander like dual pane view?

Alberich1 · Post by **Alberich1** » 20 Nov 2007 02:05

Please, please...I BEG you....give us dual pane viewing. We've been without this long enough.

Post by **serendipity** » 20 Nov 2007 02:52

Hi Alberich,

Welcome to XY's world. I know its so compelling to have those new features right away considering the speed with which XY is developing. I too think that dual pane will bring lots of mass apeal to XY. But hey there are so many good things happening these days (have you been following latest betas) which are far more killer than dual pane.
Personally i like the way XY is developing and its always good to take things slowly and let Don do the coding.
@Don: Again, dual-pane can make a huge difference for XY's $$$ since there are lots of wannabe converts lurking around the forums waiting for DP.

Post by **j_c_hallgren** » 20 Nov 2007 04:03

Did we need yet another thread about this? Especially since another one is still fairly fresh...only about a week or so ago...at http://www.xyplorer.com/xyfc/viewtopic.php?t=1937 where Alberich1 could have restarted this same issue...had it been a few weeks, it might have been hard to find, but as recent as this was, it should've been quite easy, IMO...am I getting old and cranky? Maybe just a tiny bit.

XY Bluesky · Post by **admin** » 20 Nov 2007 09:42

And not only here... but here, too: http://www.donationcoder.com/Forums/bb/ ... icseen#new

bergfex · Post by **bergfex** » 20 Nov 2007 09:53

admin wrote:And not only here... but here, too: http://www.donationcoder.com/Forums/bb/ ... icseen#new

Yeah, doesn't it drive you crazy, Don, all these repeated "Pleeease, I want DP" wishes?

Fortunately you know the art of meditation...and can relax and cool down.

XY Bluesky · Post by **admin** » 20 Nov 2007 10:05

bergfex wrote:
admin wrote:And not only here... but here, too: http://www.donationcoder.com/Forums/bb/ ... icseen#new

Yeah, doesn't it drive you crazy, Don, all these repeated "Pleeease, I want DP" wishes?

Fortunately you know the art of meditation...and can relax and cool down.

You bet! I'm turning to a form of ninja kill meditation lately...

I wonder: is it a small but loud group of mad junkies (it seems so, looking at their dogmatic attachment to an outdated Win3.1 interface), OR is it a real majority of serious computer workers? I mean, MS dropped dual pane 12 years ago with Win95 and the introduction of the folder tree and never brought it back. Is MS also hassled by "Please DP"-whining?

Gandolf · Post by **Gandolf** » 20 Nov 2007 10:27

admin wrote:...I wonder: is it a small but loud group of mad junkies ...

I'm happy to be a mad junky.

bergfex · Post by **bergfex** » 20 Nov 2007 10:34

admin wrote:You bet! I'm turning to a form of ninja kill meditation lately...

Sounds interesting, I may give it a try too.

admin wrote:I wonder: is it a small but loud group of mad junkies (it seems so, looking at their dogmatic attachment to an outdated Win3.1 interface), OR is it a real majority of serious computer workers? I mean, MS dropped dual pane 12 years ago with Win95 and the introduction of the folder tree and never brought it back. Is MS also hassled by "Please DP"-whining?

I think human beings are creatures of habit and it is always very difficult to overcome one's (bad) habits. Everyone using a decent file manager (not such a thing like WindowsExplorer) is just used to the approach of having dual pane. As XY is the first single pane file manager which plays in the same league as TC/DO/SC/X² it may need some more time for them to familiarize with another concept of file management.

jjk · Post by **jjk** » 20 Nov 2007 10:37

is it a small but loud group of mad junkies (it seems so, looking at their dogmatic attachment to an outdated Win3.1 interface), OR is it a real majority of serious computer workers?

I don't know. But I also need DP, like many others. The reason is for me very simple : DP offers possibility to compare folders, to copy to other pane very easily, to see two folders in the same time, and so on.
So I ask you also DP.
Though, thanks for XY which is daily better, and for your support.

Alberich1 · Post by **Alberich1** » 20 Nov 2007 13:51

I agree with the above posters who ALSO say they want DP. I also need DP...and I'd prefer using XY over TC because development is alot faster.

I get a warm fuzzy feeling inside to wake up every morning and zip over here and download that new beta every single day (except weekends).

graham · Post by **graham** » 20 Nov 2007 15:45

You know this seems to be a constant thorn in the ....
If it were possible to provide a simple compromise which could just cool down the doubters then I would urge you to do this and fast.

Why - it could bring in much needed revenue

Then again, if it is difficult to do - let better things happen, or just be yourself and ignore the mis-guided!

Gandolf · Post by **Gandolf** » 20 Nov 2007 17:04

If you are a mouse user have you seen:
http://www.xyplorer.com/xyfc/viewtopic. ... 6985#16985

or the neater solution by TheQwerty:
http://www.xyplorer.com/xyfc/viewtopic. ... 7058#17058

bergfex · Post by **bergfex** » 20 Nov 2007 17:36

graham wrote:If it were possible to provide a simple compromise which could just cool down the doubters then I would urge you to do this and fast.

I'm no "mad DP junky" and like XYplorer the way it is but -as I said before - I really would like to have a command in the folder's and tab's context menu which opens a second instance as Don suggested here: http://www.xyplorer.com/xyfc/viewtopic. ... 6763#16763

In the meantime I use Gandolf's/TheQwerty's AHK scripts (see post above).

But all these solutions are only workarounds and only an additional feature for us "SP fans". For DP fans it wouldn't really be an alternative.

As Don said in his post at DonationCoder the "real" Dual Pane approach as a way of managing files is far more than an additional feature, i.e. you don't get an orange by changing the color of the apple, you really have to turn the apple into an orange. Hm, am I the only one who suddenly has such an appetite for fruit salad...?

graham wrote: Then again, if it is difficult to do - let better things happen, or just be yourself and ignore the mis-guided!

Mis-guided - I really like the term!

Post by **j_c_hallgren** » 20 Nov 2007 17:51

admin wrote:I wonder: is it a small but loud group of mad junkies (it seems so, looking at their dogmatic attachment to an outdated Win3.1 interface), OR is it a real majority of serious computer workers? I mean, MS dropped dual pane 12 years ago with Win95 and the introduction of the folder tree and never brought it back. Is MS also hassled by "Please DP"-whining?

I kinda think it's a combination of the two groups (a small but loud group + majority of serious computer workers) since most typical users that I've encountered know don't even use Win Expl, as that's "too complicated" for them...Once M$ dropped DP, I had to make do with either alternate products, or trying to use two WE sessions, which was never a decent solution...

As I've stated various times before, I only really need DP about a handful of times per month, and then I use X2 Lite...it's mostly when I'm trying to manually sync two folders whose file names/types/dates are so different that any type of automated sync is virtually impossible...

Having a dual list with a single tree would be perfectly acceptable to me, and probably many DP requestors, but if there was a possibility of a dual tree, that would likely make it more desirable to some...

Quite some time ago, I created the following mock-up of how a simple DP implementation could look...since some are new here, I'll put it here as clickable thumb so y'all can see what I was proposing...ok, so having the dual panes horizontal isn't ideal, but I thought it would be the easiest to implement...

And in this proposal, the 2nd tab on right would be the "header" for the lower pane, and would need to be marked in some manner to indicate such.

mwb1100 · Post by **mwb1100** » 20 Nov 2007 21:15

admin wrote:MS dropped dual pane 12 years ago with Win95 and the introduction of the folder tree and never brought it back. Is MS also hassled by "Please DP"-whining?

That's an interesting question - I wonder if there's any possible way to find out? (doubt it...).

Clearly it's a dearly held preference for a large number of people. Just as clearly there are people who believe it's an abomination (or something to that effect). As for myself, there are definitely times that I'd like to use DP, but that's a once in a while situation. It's just a potential tool for me.

I think that if Don can implement DP as an option without messing up XY in single pane mode, then it's the best of both worlds. And it seems that Don would sell a bunch more licenses - that's gotta be good, right? Until then, I'll be just fine without DP and be happy witha new toy to play with once it shows up in a beta drop.