Menu bar stuff

[jacky]

I'm replying here just cause it was to much off topic...

I also think XY needs to have the option/tweak of displaying menus more intelligently. For instance, hide the disabled items. I only use UDC for scripts, so only 3 of 11 items are enabled on that menu.

I don't agree there. Because it's good for new users to see what is available to them from here, even if it isn't enabled at the moment. That's why there's a state disabled in the first place! Take UDC for instance, it also works as a way to "promote" what's available on that feature, so users can see very easily what could be available to them here (cause a new user seeing menu User with only one item (Manage) might not see as much potential in that feature as he would now)

Besides, it's also probably a matter of opinion, because I tend to hate it when I get half-shown menu only because some smart app decided to hide from me some of the menus for some reason...

File and Edit both have different copy commands.

Yeah, but it kinda makes sense to me. Edit had the clipboard ones which obviously have to be there, plus the Move/Copy/Backup To ones but it seems like a natural fit for those here I feel. The others on the other hand certainly belong to the File menu, as they are file operations.
You could argue the M/C/B To should be moved there, but I don't think it would be a good idea, that would somehow make things more confusing to me. Also because those (M/C/B) are available on the List ctxt menu, which is somewhat "based" on the Edit menu.

Generally "New..." functions are found under File. I'm not convinced Compare, Find, Select should be under Edit.

Well, that's probably taste here as well, because it all sounds at the right place here to me. "New" commands are a fit because especially with "New Items" one could see a connection to "Paste", and the Find/Select most certainly apply here since that's always where you find such commands : under Edit ! Right now I'm under Firefox : Edit|Select All; Edit|Find...

Just like when there will be Undo, it should go under Edit not File, even if we're talking about file operations.

Do people really change their Tree/List style often enough to warrant having all those items in the main menu or should some of them be moved to Configuration?

It's not just that they change it often, there might be others things to consider, such as what jc mentioned, it's just easier that way!

Since they only really apply to details view and are available by clicking the column headers do we need items to change the Date/Size Column Formats?

Absolutely!! The ctxt menu of column headers is only a "shortcut", but those options needs to be visible, especially to new users. Besides, go tell your keyboard-only user to just right-click on the column!

[j_c_hallgren]

I just "moved" the contents of this post here from the FVS thread since I didn't want to clutter up that thread, thus it now appears after jacky's reference to it above..
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Mostly it's because there are so many items that are in the main menus that it's overwhelming, even to me. I'm not convinced they all need to be at that level or even in the menu in the first place.

There are times when I'd agree and there are times when I'd not so I'm undecided on this one somewhat.

I also think XY needs to have the option/tweak of displaying menus more intelligently. For instance, hide the disabled items. I only use UDC for scripts, so only 3 of 11 items are enabled on that menu.

The potential issue I have with this is that the location of those items would then keep changing, so if I'm used to going down halfway in a menu and with this, it would then appear near top, while reducing mouse movement, I'd have to be more careful as to where to go.

File and Edit both have different copy commands. Generally "New..." functions are found under File. I'm not convinced Compare, Find, Select should be under Edit.

There are times when I have to think: File or Edit menu? But given that putting them together would be potentially more confusing, I suspect leaving it somewhat as is would be best.

Do people really change their Tree/List style often enough to warrant having all those items in the main menu or should some of them be moved to Configuration? Since they only really apply to details view and are available by clicking the column headers do we need items to change the Date/Size Column Formats?

Yes! Why? Because it's (IMO) easier to experiment with various layout options as it is (ala sorta WSIWYG), such as a new user would do, while having them in config makes it more of a PITA due to other dialog interactions needed.

I think the whole menubar could use some attention in the near future.

Possibly...I do agree it should be a totally separate discussion (now it is), but we need to keep first-time/noob users in mind when doing so! It's very important to make it friendly for them but also efficient for us.