XYplorer Beta Club

CitizenD wrote:

1) You say a "person or organization"...ok, so how does that handle a husband/wife or similar who jointly own the computer(s)? They are neither, since they are people, not just a person...and they are not an organization.

What does their marital status have to do with the license? If the license is computer based then they can both use it on the one computer.

It's not the marital status...it was the ownership of the system that I brought up...that in my example, ownership is NOT by a person or organization, but joint ownership by two people...which is not covered by terminology as used...
And I agree that in this case, both can use it on same system as only one can be using it at any point in time.

CitizenD wrote:

2) "owns and uses more than one computer exclusively" : How about family again, where Dad owns the desktop and laptop, and he is the only one to use both, thus he is exclusive in that respect, but his son uses the desktop only...so exclusive isn't quite tied to exclusive use of XY.

Then two licenses are needed - one for the Dad, and one for the son.

I'd agree that two licenses are needed IF both can/do use product at any point in time...my issue was how word "exclusively" was used, as in my example, Dad is the exclusive user of both systems, (because son is limited to desktop use) which technically satifies the phrase I referred to.

CitizenD wrote:

3) "However, if a person owns" : What about when a company (with a sole owner and no employees) technically on paper owns more than one system? Humm?? Does the "company" get to use it on desktop and laptop? Since only one person will be using it, but he/she doesn't own it, as the business name owns it.

If there are one owner and no employees then the owner can use it on all systems on one license. As soon as another employee begins using one or more systems then they will need to purchase another license.

Again, this goes back to "a person owns", where in my example, it's the "company" that owns it...and even in your reply, it's not whether another person begins to use the system, it's whether they use XY, right? They may be using it via a signon that prevent usage of XY, for example.

And about jacky's post re portability: I'd agree with his query, since I might want to take XY on a flash drive to library...I don't own or use THAT computer, but I'm the exclusive user of my one copy of XY as nobody else can use it while I'm doing so.

j_c_hallgren wrote:And about jacky's post re portability: I'd agree with his query, since I might want to take XY on a flash drive to library...I don't own or use THAT computer, but I'm the exclusive user of my one copy of XY as nobody else can use it while I'm doing so.

Okay, I agree that this usage should be covered by your single license. You are running it from the flash drive, right? So I could rephrase it like this:

"However, if a person uses more than one computer or removable device exclusively (say a desktop machine, a laptop, and a flash drive) then one license does cover it."

jacky wrote:

admin wrote:

jacky wrote:hmm.. that means if one does own only one computer, and uses another at work, one license doesn't cover it (since he doen't own that computer), or?

That's true. The one at work should be paid by your boss. This is very common and common sense licensing practice.

hmm.. ok so just to be a PITA one more time, regarding the portability factor. Your new license term tend to say one cannot use XY on a computers friend or at work. So portability is limited to the computers one owns & uses exclusively?

If you install (resp. copy) the unlocked version on another person's machine then another license is needed, of course. If you run it from your plugged-in flash drive then your single license does cover it.

I've been a PITA the entire thread (hey - I started it!), so to continue the trend I've thought of another situation...

What if I do not own, or use the computer exclusively, but I have a logon or shared logon I use and I install XYPlorer for my use only, and no-one else that uses that computer runs it? Is that covered?

Cheers,

D

CitizenD wrote:What if I do not own, or use the computer exclusively, but I have a logon or shared logon I use and I install XYPlorer for my use only, and no-one else that uses that computer runs it? Is that covered?

Yes. It's always only about the right to "run XYplorer" or "use XYplorer" on a particular computer. I do not care what other people do with that computer unless they use my program.

CitizenD wrote:I've been a PITA the entire thread ...

Well, I'll play the PITA now: I don't like the current definition anymore! I don't like the term "computer-based", I don't like the enumeration of hardware devices, I don't like the fact that the exception is longer than the general part. So, speaking with the Motor City Madman "If in doubt, wipe it out!"

Here's my new shot:

As an individual person you need one license to use XYplorer. Period. As an employer, you need a license for each employee using XYplorer inside your organization (company?).

Okay, let your destructional forces loose upon me!

admin wrote:As an individual person you need one license to use XYplorer. Period. As an employer, you need a license for each employee using XYplorer inside your organization (company?).

That is about as clear as you'll ever get.

I don't think anyone can construe that in any way but one.

John

Hi,

I have a few questions for the new license:

- Is the new registration system like activating software? That’s ok for one operating system but not for many programs, then I rather look for freeware software and live with that then to install, register and activate every piece of software.

- Will every version have the need to re-register again? So every version needs a new registration code?

- Does every registration code has a date to how long we can use xyplorer? So that we are pushed to install every new version and ask for a new registration code?

- How often will the registration code have to be renewed? I don’t care if it needs to be once a year, but every new version it’s to much I guess...

- One idea, wouldn’t it be better to include the registration code in the directory of xyplorer, and not in the windows registry? This is for on the flash drive of a registered user...

And something else to think of... If there is a system to block out registration codes for users who did not pay... You can be sure there will be mistakes within the system, so also users who did pay can get locked out... I haven’t experienced this yet with windows xp activation, but I know that it happens, also, there already was something wrong with the first new registration system in xyplorer, so who registered again, had to re-register it the day after that beta, I’m lucky that I didn’t go for it... So that’s why I ask those questions and I keep out of the new version before I have some answers.

Greetings,

Steve

I'll let Don give the final answers, but the quick summary is that XY is just doing a one-time change in how license key is created, so this is a conversion process needed just now...and the output key is stored in your INI file which goes with the appl...you get the key once when you buy it and then it's up to you not to lose it...but when the old key system was compromised by crackers, he came up with a new one...which took a few tries to get it just the way he wanted...that's why we had to do it more than once.

BTW, XY does NOT use the Registry at this time...and likely never will...

I think you went too far the other way...opened up too many holes...so even though this variant of your prior text is a bit more wordy, I'd just use it in all places...
LICENSE GRANT. On purchase you are granted a non-exclusive and non-transferable right to use XYplorer as indicated herein: Each license covers the right to install and run XYplorer on one single computer, workstation or removable device. However, if a person solely uses more than one computer or removable device (such as a desktop and/or a laptop and/or a flashdrive) then one license covers them. Floating or concurrent license usage is expressly prohibited. XYplorer licenses are valid for lifetime and include all available future updates of the Software.
The dual usage aspect is covered by the "concurrent"...the ownership of computers is not part of it...I think it was the best one with a minor tweak or two..

itsme28m wrote:I have a few questions for the new license: ...

Just as jc already said: the answer to all your questions is "no" and "don't worry". The key.php page is just a little engine that spares me writing countless emails to registered users. I had to do it about three times because my PHP got a bit rusty from all the XY programming. Also the xydentity-number has nothing to do with online activation or so. It's simply a proof that you bought a license and it is uncrackable because the generating code is running on the server.

To make sure:
XY does not phone home ever.
Nothing is ever written to the registry (unless you explicitly want it).
Your license will never expire (unless you use a cracked key).

That’s great to hear, then I can still update without fear...

One other question, my email address changed, does it send the new key to the mail that you registered or can I just fill in my new mail?

Greetings,

Steve

itsme28m wrote:That’s great to hear, then I can still update without fear...

One other question, my email address changed, does it send the new key to the mail that you registered or can I just fill in my new mail?

No email is involved. I'm well aware of the fact that user email addresses change like hell. So I do not even store your address anywhere! I'm not interested and I won't contact you.

The new key will be shown right in your browser after you submitted your reg data.

j_c_hallgren wrote:I think you went too far the other way...opened up too many holes...so even though this variant of your prior text is a bit more wordy, I'd just use it in all places...
LICENSE GRANT. On purchase you are granted a non-exclusive and non-transferable right to use XYplorer as indicated herein: Each license covers the right to install and run XYplorer on one single computer, workstation or removable device. However, if a person solely uses more than one computer or removable device (such as a desktop and/or a laptop and/or a flashdrive) then one license covers them. Floating or concurrent license usage is expressly prohibited. XYplorer licenses are valid for lifetime and include all available future updates of the Software.
The dual usage aspect is covered by the "concurrent"...the ownership of computers is not part of it...I think it was the best one with a minor tweak or two..

Yeah, but what part of this didn't you understand?:
As an individual person you need one license to use XYplorer. As an employer, you need a license for each employee using XYplorer inside your organization.
And what's the best word here: organization? company? enterprise?

I was worrying for nothing then...

Thanks allot Don for making this change without giving us a headache