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Info panel, Dual pane, Navigation panel, aaahhhh... I'd like to save a letter (and of course the atmosphere) and use pane everywhere. Does this trigger pains (no pun intended) in any of the attending English speakers?

admin wrote:Does this trigger pains (no pun intended) in any of the attending English speakers?

Eh.. not really, but to me a Pane belongs within a Panel; the catalog and tree are panes of the Navigation Panel.

The problem with this thinking is we don't fully use it anywhere.
We don't have a List Panel that contains the Dual Panes.
We don't refer to them as Catalog/Tree Panes in the Navigation Panel.
And the Info Panel is tabbed, though we occasionally see the Preview Tab referred to as Preview Pane. (Perhaps not officially.)


As a reference I took a look in Visual Studio 2008... their "panes" never get referred to as panes or panels, within the GUI they are just called by their title and occasionally view. In the help, a lot of them seem to be called windows, but unlike XY they can be re-arranged or detached from the main window, so it seems more fitting. However, if you follow the New Wizard to create an MFC project with GUI similar to VS 2008, they refer to them as panes. God bless Microsoft's consistency.

My take on their system is they are views.
When they are docked in the main window they become panes.
If there are multiple panes sharing a tab container they become tabs.
If it is detached from the main window it becomes a window.

OK, case in question: I plan to add an additional preview area to the right of everything, and as high as possible: From the menubar down to the bottom of the window. So that would be a preview pane or preview panel?

I read a post here and somewhat agree with the definitions. Excerpt:

A pane is a (usually) independently scrollable subsection of a window.
It's what you get, for example, if you drag the splitter bar in a Word
window.

A panel is an object that is used to group controls and other objects.
It is often but not always dragable, occasionally resizable or
scrollable. Most toolbars, for example, consist of a panel with buttons.
Panels may or may not have a visible border.

serendipity wrote:I read a post here and somewhat agree with the definitions. Excerpt:

A pane is a (usually) independently scrollable subsection of a window.
It's what you get, for example, if you drag the splitter bar in a Word
window.

A panel is an object that is used to group controls and other objects.
It is often but not always dragable, occasionally resizable or
scrollable. Most toolbars, for example, consist of a panel with buttons.
Panels may or may not have a visible border.

OK, thanks. That will make my thing a Preview panel because it also will have a little toolbar and optionally can show info and controls (e.g. media controls stop/pause/play).

admin wrote:...I plan to add an additional preview area to the right of everything, and as high as possible: From the menubar down to the bottom of the window...

Will the toolbar and tab bar areas be able to sit on top of this panel?

zer0 wrote:

admin wrote:...I plan to add an additional preview area to the right of everything, and as high as possible: From the menubar down to the bottom of the window...

Will the toolbar and tab bar areas be able to sit on top of this panel?

Not planned. But might be made optional later.

admin wrote:Not planned. But might be made optional later.

I hope that it is included/enabled by default from the beginning. As a Vista/Win 7 user, one cannot help but feel that this is a copycat of V's/7's preview pane (more info here) that is confined within the list's bounds and would look unorthodox otherwise.

zer0 wrote:

admin wrote:Not planned. But might be made optional later.

I hope that it is included/enabled by default from the beginning. As a Vista/Win 7 user, one cannot help but feel that this is a copycat of V's/7's preview pane (more info here) that is confined within the list's bounds and would look unorthodox otherwise.

Wow! OK, no I did not know about this. Now it looks stupid to call it a "preview panel", of course. Thanks for the hint.

admin wrote:

zer0 wrote:

admin wrote:Not planned. But might be made optional later.

I hope that it is included/enabled by default from the beginning. As a Vista/Win 7 user, one cannot help but feel that this is a copycat of V's/7's preview pane (more info here) that is confined within the list's bounds and would look unorthodox otherwise.

Wow! OK, no I did not know about this. Now it looks stupid to call it a "preview panel", of course. Thanks for the hint.

Yes, makes sense to use the standard usage.
btw, will this preview pane be IE dependent or is it going to be your own code?

serendipity wrote:

admin wrote:

zer0 wrote:

admin wrote:Not planned. But might be made optional later.

I hope that it is included/enabled by default from the beginning. As a Vista/Win 7 user, one cannot help but feel that this is a copycat of V's/7's preview pane (more info here) that is confined within the list's bounds and would look unorthodox otherwise.

Wow! OK, no I did not know about this. Now it looks stupid to call it a "preview panel", of course. Thanks for the hint.

Yes, makes sense to use the standard usage.
btw, will this preview pane be IE dependent or is it going to be your own code?

It will be 100% identical to the current preview, just in a different place and bigger. The Office preview issues are another topic that will be solved independently of this. Hopefully. I'm still researching this and it looks difficult.

admin wrote:

serendipity wrote:

admin wrote:

zer0 wrote:

admin wrote:Not planned. But might be made optional later.

I hope that it is included/enabled by default from the beginning. As a Vista/Win 7 user, one cannot help but feel that this is a copycat of V's/7's preview pane (more info here) that is confined within the list's bounds and would look unorthodox otherwise.

Wow! OK, no I did not know about this. Now it looks stupid to call it a "preview panel", of course. Thanks for the hint.

Yes, makes sense to use the standard usage.
btw, will this preview pane be IE dependent or is it going to be your own code?

It will be 100% identical to the current preview, just in a different place and bigger. The Office preview issues are another topic that will be solved independently of this. Hopefully. I'm still researching this and it looks difficult.

OK. I asked this in the light of IE being made optional (in Europe) in Win7 these days.

serendipity wrote:OK. I asked this in the light of IE being made optional (in Europe) in Win7 these days.

I see. If a user opts against IE he won't have Office and HTML preview in XY. Not a such big loss IMO. Other than that XY will run perfectly without IE.

admin wrote:I plan to add an additional preview area to the right of everything, and as high as possible: From the menubar down to the bottom of the window.

Hello. Has this preview area to the right of everything been implemented yet? Maybe it's there and I just can't find it. I've read help, looked in Configuration and searched here in the forum, but I could be missing something obvious.

The toolbar Preview button opens Info Panel at the bottom which includes a Preview tab. A larger preview pane on the right as you describe it would be nice to take advantage of wide screens.

Not yet there. Still planned.