XYplorer Beta Club

I've noticed that several people have asked for this beta and I have it, but the maximum attachment size per file is 256 KB and one can only upload 3 files. Can Don please post it or can someone tell me how I can share it with those who are after it?

Many thanks.

Here:
http://www.xyplorer.com/download/XYplor ... -befDP.zip

zer0 wrote:Can Don please post it or can someone tell me how I can share it with those who are after it?
Many thanks.

Let me express my gratitude by saying many thanks to you, zer0, for your selfless thoughtfulness.

Obviously features are frozen for pre-DP, but will there be bug fixes for this line?

Since It will be several months before XYplorer DP will be ready for primetime IMO, I will still be using and recommending this version, so I am hopeful that any bugs found will be fixed.
If not, unfortunately I will have to recommend some other solution; definitely not something I will like to do.

Uagadugu wrote:Obviously features are frozen for pre-DP, but will there be bug fixes for this line?

Since It will be several months before XYplorer DP will be ready for primetime IMO, I will still be using and recommending this version, so I am hopeful that any bugs found will be fixed.
If not, unfortunately I will have to recommend some other solution; definitely not something I will like to do.

It's not a fork, so I wouldn't expect it to receive any support at all. It would be silly to expect Don to fork and support the project every time a feature comes along that someone doesn't like.

Aside from the inability to currently put the toolbar on the same row as the tab bar, what is keeping DP from being ready for primetime?

TheQwerty wrote:It would be silly to expect Don to fork and support the project every time a feature comes along that someone doesn't like.

Sir, I specifically asked about bug fixes, not "features".

Microsoft has provided bug fixes for previous versions of Windows for some time after each new release became available.
I hardly see why it is unreasonable to expect XYplorer to do the same, since like Windows, this product is not freeware.

Aside from the inability to currently put the toolbar on the same row as the tab bar, what is keeping DP from being ready for primetime?

Friend, XYplorer's UI is still in a state of flux, as clearly evidenced by posts on this forum.
I do not care to deal with the support issues this may create with my users.

Uagadugu wrote:Friend, XYplorer's UI is still in a state of flux, as clearly evidenced by posts on this forum.
I do not care to deal with the support issues this may create with my users.

The only UI that is not "in a state of flux" is on a app that is no longer being developed or modified and is thus perfectly stable...yes, there were some significant changes to UI for DP but those are now complete, so I don't at all understand your point...change is required to add new features so the only true way to keep the UI stable is no new features and we don't want that, right?

Uagadugu wrote:

TheQwerty wrote:It would be silly to expect Don to fork and support the project every time a feature comes along that someone doesn't like.

Sir, I specifically asked about bug fixes, not "features".

Please re-read what you've quoted. I said nothing about you asking for new features to be implemented, but you are asking that Don fork and continue to support XY every time he adds a feature that a user may not want. In essence you want him to double his work whenever he adds a feature.

Uagadugu wrote:Microsoft has provided bug fixes for previous versions of Windows for some time after each new release became available.
I hardly see why it is unreasonable to expect XYplorer to do the same, since like Windows, this product is not freeware.

Previous versions of Windows are entirely different products, each with their own support/update end of life dates. By contrast XY is a single product, by a single developer. If Don were to provide support for each previous stable release (not even beta releases) he'd end up spending all his time adding bug fixes and none of it on new features. It's just not feasible to fork and support XY in this way.

Uagadugu wrote:

Aside from the inability to currently put the toolbar on the same row as the tab bar, what is keeping DP from being ready for primetime?

Friend, XYplorer's UI is still in a state of flux, as clearly evidenced by posts on this forum.
I do not care to deal with the support issues this may create with my users.

Buddy, it's a fair question that you've avoided once again. The only UI changes that has happened to SP users in months has been the inability to place the toolbar beside the tabs and the Panes menu item. It's not in a state of flux, it's not constantly breaking, and DP is extremely usable and ready for primetime.

You feel otherwise, but you've yet to articulate what the actual problem is. Perhaps you'd be better only pushing stable versions out to your users rather than trying to keep them on the line of bleeding edge.

j_c_hallgren wrote:The only UI that is not "in a state of flux" is on a app that is no longer being developed or modified and is thus perfectly stable...yes, there were some significant changes to UI for DP but those are now complete, so I don't at all understand your point...change is required to add new features so the only true way to keep the UI stable is no new features and we don't want that, right?

Friend, I must say I am flattered by the attention which you are showering upon me.

The "state of flux" that you speak of is not the same as the one I was trying to define.
The concept is quite simple, and if you bear with me, I will try to illustrate.

SP and DP represent two fundamentally different ways of doing file management; the third form is the hybrid.
One either thinks (and therefore, works) in SP or in DP.
Of course, occasionally an SP thinker may need a DP feature, and vice versa, but no one user uses both forms equally.
The admin thinks in SP, as I do.
This is why the DP implementation took so long and required so much input from the users of this forum.

Let me try an analogy:
A parent has one child, so this child will get all the attention.
The parent has a second child; for some time the second child will get most of the attention, and rightly so.
There will be some time before there is equilibrium, before the parent has adjusted to this new situation, and since there is now two instead of one, compromises will always have to made.

Prior to v8, XYplorer was a SP application but now it is a hybrid, just like Directory Opus, while Total Commander is a DP application.
This new XYplorer is not simply a SP application with DP added, even though the admin would like to believe it is, because the act of combining two different concepts forces it morph into something different.
It will be some time before this newly birthed hybrid has the same elegance and cohesiveness of XYplorer Classic; this is logical to surmise.

I simply do not care to change any diapers while this hybrid grows just so that I may have access to bug fixes.

TheQwerty wrote:Please re-read what you've quoted. I said nothing about you asking for new features to be implemented, but you are asking that Don fork and continue to support XY every time he adds a feature that a user may not want. In essence you want him to double his work whenever he adds a feature.

Friend, I will only state that a bug fix is not a "feature".

When you understand this concept, I will be more than happy to answer your questions.

Uagadugu wrote:

TheQwerty wrote:Please re-read what you've quoted. I said nothing about you asking for new features to be implemented, but you are asking that Don fork and continue to support XY every time he adds a feature that a user may not want. In essence you want him to double his work whenever he adds a feature.

Friend, I will only state that a bug fix is not a "feature".

When you understand this concept, I will be more than happy to answer your questions.

NO WHERE DID I SAY IT WAS!

DP is a feature.
You want Don (the developer) to fork (maintain two branches (versions) of) XY at a point before this feature was introduced.
You also want Don (the developer) to provide support (bug fixes and code updates, but not major features like DP) in each branch.

You want Don to create two products XY-SP and XY-DP, and provide support (again bug fixes and code updates, but not major features) for each.

And yet again you've failed to explain the exact reason that you believe he should do this, so I'm forced to believe the ONLY reason you want this is because of fact that the toolbar cannot be beside the tabs.

@Uagadugu: A quick question for you, lets say i don't like Scripting at all, would you expect Admin to provide current bug fixes to all versions before the Scripting? And maybe some one doesn't like Catalog, same thing for him too?
You see where this is going?

Uagadugu wrote:I simply do not care to change any diapers while this hybrid grows just so that I may have access to bug fixes.

What a lot of words there...and I am certainly NOT trying to shower you with attention but just get your attention...ok?

Remember that no one is holding you at gunpoint forcing you to use DP

...it's a choice and beside the minor UI changes that TheQwerty mentioned and a couple of other very minor places where DP is visible, like in the Config>Panes, there is absolutely no reason why you cannot continue to use current vers and just operate in a SP mode...we have some users who never even use tabs, and they get along just fine...some ppl never use the catalog and get along fine also...so just ignore the DP and you'll be fine...

If a new user came to XY at this point, they wouldn't know what the UI looked like before and they could very easily operate in SP mode and totally ignore DP until and if they desired to use it...just like a house, you don't have to use the back door, but it's your choice if you want to.

And as far as I'm concerned, this "hybrid" as you call it already seems to be more cohesive than other products that have had DP for years!

Addendum: You went for about 20 months from first post until this latest surge with NO postings here compared to us who interact almost daily so why should we now pay attention to these tantrums, if we're going to use a baby analogy? Had you been an active participant, especially when DP was being developed, I'd have just a bit more respect for your opinions...but that's my $.02....oh, and whenever someone whom I don't know refers to me as "friend", I almost always assume they mean the opposite but just don't want to say so.

TheQwerty wrote:I'm forced to believe the ONLY reason you want this is because of fact that the toolbar cannot be beside the tabs.

You are free to believe what you want to believe.

The question I would like to ask is:
How significant/relevant is your belief?

serendipity wrote:@Uagadugu: A quick question for you, lets say i don't like Scripting at all, would you expect Admin to provide current bug fixes to all versions before the Scripting? And maybe some one doesn't like Catalog, same thing for him too?
You see where this is going?

Yes, I do; I wouldn't be here if I didn't.

Now ask yourself the same question.