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FVS: Applied Settings
Posted: 14 Aug 2008 07:34
by admin
In FVS Edit, we have these settings that can be independently ticked:
- View (Details, Thumbnails...)
- Sort Order
- Column Positions and Widths
- Column Visibility
- Line Number Visibility
I could imagine to join #3 and #4 like this:
- View (Details, Thumbnails...)
- Sort Order
- Column Layout (Positions, Widths, Visibility)
- Line Number Visibility
Or even include Line Number into Columns (I'd think this is expected):
- View (Details, Thumbnails...)
- Sort Order
- Column Layout (Positions, Widths, Visibility)
What do you think?
Re: FVS: Applied Settings
Posted: 14 Aug 2008 10:33
by j_c_hallgren
Personally, I can't see why one would want to retain col pos/width but not their visibility or the reverse...so combining those seems perfectly reasonable.
And even though line nbr isn't really a column, I suspect most everyone would likely think so (as we've seen), so combining that for same reason as above also appears fine IMO.
Re: FVS: Applied Settings
Posted: 14 Aug 2008 10:42
by jacky
Well, seems fair yes.
(What about what has been discussed before : that when switching tab then only column widths & pos would be restored, not visibility ? Would that be any different ?)
Re: FVS: Applied Settings
Posted: 14 Aug 2008 10:58
by admin
jacky wrote:Well, seems fair yes.
(What about what has been discussed before : that when switching tab then only column widths & pos would be restored, not visibility ? Would that be any different ?)
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*** Tabs: Now the List column visibility is handled per-tab! Before,
it was global.
soon in the shops...
Re: FVS: Applied Settings
Posted: 14 Aug 2008 12:54
by TheQwerty
From:
http://www.xyplorer.com/xyfc/viewtopic. ... 839#p24839
TheQwerty wrote:admin wrote:You will have noted that I have left a lot of space in the "Applied Settings" frame.
To be honest I am thinking you should have used a tree view with check boxes. If implemented now it would prevent you from possibly having space issues later, and it would allow for a way of categorizing the settings.
I still stand by this thought.
It would have the added ability of making issues like this extremely easy to deal with.
You'd just put them all under a Columns node:
Columns
-Position
-Visibility
-Width
Then we could toggle the state for all Columns settings or individual ones.
Re: FVS: Applied Settings
Posted: 14 Aug 2008 13:26
by jacky
TheQwerty wrote:It would have the added ability of making issues like this extremely easy to deal with.
You'd just put them all under a Columns node:
Columns
-Position
-Visibility
-Width
Then we could toggle the state for all Columns settings or individual ones.
I'm not sure that would change anything here, it could still be done that way with 3 checkboxes. The real question is, would there anyone interested in having some but not all of those columns settings remembered ?
It seems that either you don't want it, or you want it all : position, width & visibility.
Re: FVS: Applied Settings
Posted: 14 Aug 2008 14:02
by TheQwerty
I am very much against combining these.
I can see cases where I might like to use different settings for each, and I think it would be stupid to remove it now, and have us go back through the hoops of requesting it later.
What is gained by combining them is very little and could be achieved through other means.
Re: FVS: Applied Settings
Posted: 14 Aug 2008 14:31
by Pagat
I'd go for your option number 3:
admin wrote:Or even include Line Number into Columns (I'd think this is expected):
- View (Details, Thumbnails...)
- Sort Order
- Column Layout (Positions, Widths, Visibility)
Re: FVS: Applied Settings
Posted: 14 Aug 2008 15:12
by admin
TheQwerty wrote:I am very much against combining these.
I can see cases where I might like to use different settings for each, and I think it would be stupid to remove it now, and have us go back through the hoops of requesting it later.
What is gained by combining them is very little and could be achieved through other means.
What is gained is usability. Why offer an option that's unlikely to be useful?
Re: FVS: Applied Settings
Posted: 14 Aug 2008 15:29
by TheQwerty
admin wrote:TheQwerty wrote:I am very much against combining these.
I can see cases where I might like to use different settings for each, and I think it would be stupid to remove it now, and have us go back through the hoops of requesting it later.
What is gained by combining them is very little and could be achieved through other means.
What is gained is usability. Why offer an option that's unlikely to be useful?
And there are other ways to gain usability.
I do have a set of folders where I'd like them to remember the positions of the columns but not what is visible because it allows me to continue using the columns I currently use but place the size or modified column closer to the name than usual. Remembering the positions but not the visibility removes the annoying hassle of having to toggle the Attribute column (or others) back and forth.
Re: FVS: Applied Settings
Posted: 14 Aug 2008 15:34
by j_c_hallgren
TheQwerty wrote:I do have a set of folders where I'd like them to remember the positions of the columns but not what is visible
Oh..ok, so you're wanting kind of a half-FVS then, in some cases? Where some settings are restored but others are left as is...hadn't really thought of that but now that you've explained the reasoning, I do see your point.
But, from your POV, is there any issue with combining line nbr visibility with columns?
Re: FVS: Applied Settings
Posted: 14 Aug 2008 15:39
by TheQwerty
j_c_hallgren wrote:TheQwerty wrote:I do have a set of folders where I'd like them to remember the positions of the columns but not what is visible
Oh..ok, so you're wanting kind of a half-FVS then, in some cases? Where some settings are restored but others are left as is...hadn't really thought of that but now that you've explained the reasoning, I do see your point.
Is that not the whole point of allowing the user to change the settings of what's remembered?
j_c_hallgren wrote:But, from your POV, is there any issue with combining line nbr visibility with columns?
To tell you the truth I've been completely lost on all the special treatment the line number column has. I haven't followed why it's not just treated like the others. But I also haven't minded since I don't use it.
Re: FVS: Applied Settings
Posted: 14 Aug 2008 15:45
by admin
TheQwerty wrote:To tell you the truth I've been completely lost on all the special treatment the line number column has. I haven't followed why it's not just treated like the others. But I also haven't minded since I don't use it.
The line number column is special:
- cannot be sorted
- cannot be moved
- cannot be clicked
- cannot be sized (I admit that this could make sense)
- it's data is not a property of a file but of the list
That's why I treated it different from all other columns.
Re: FVS: Applied Settings
Posted: 14 Aug 2008 16:05
by TheQwerty
admin wrote:TheQwerty wrote:To tell you the truth I've been completely lost on all the special treatment the line number column has. I haven't followed why it's not just treated like the others. But I also haven't minded since I don't use it.
The line number column is special:
- cannot be sorted
- cannot be moved
- cannot be clicked
- cannot be sized (I admit that this could make sense)
- it's data is not a property of a file but of the list
That's why I treated it different from all other columns.
Yes, but what I mean is... why is it all those things, just because it's not file data?
I would think it should be tied to column visibility, but as I said, I don't use it, so I'm in no position to speak of how others should.
Re: FVS: Applied Settings
Posted: 14 Aug 2008 20:42
by admin
Back to applied settings!
With the recent BETA v7.40.0020 you have per tab List Style (which includes Line Numbers) and per tab Column Visibility.
So, in FVS we now can offer the following applied settings:
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- View (Details, Thumbnails...)
- Sort Order
- Column Layout (Positions, Widths, Visibility)
- List Style (Line Numbers, Auto-Size, Grid)
Of course, I also would like to know how you like the new
per tab experience? Is it maybe too much? Do you miss global settings (you still can have them now, but only when you hold Shift)?