XYplorer Beta Club

few thought abt toolbar icons.

1. In reality if I wanted all the icons in the toolbar its not possible because the width of the window is too big to accomodate address bar.
2. adding icons one by one can be painful, is it possible to select icons i need and hit add once?
3. removing icons can be easier, maybe right click and remove icon.

serendipity wrote:3. removing icons can be easier, maybe right click and remove icon.

On this one, I checked to see how it is now, and my possible solution would simply be that if one right-clicked on an existing icon and then selected "customize TB" via menu, the dialog would have that icon as the selected one in the right column so you'd be ready to pick action for it such as delete/move...

If one invoked panel/dialog via Tools>Customize, then the existing default would apply...

Oh, and the potential problem with item #2: Getting the selected group of icons in the correct/desired order on TB...that's why adding one at time avoids that problem...yes, it takes longer, I'll agree, but may be offset by time it'd take to get desired arrangement.

I dont know if its easy or not, but i would find it more intuitive when user can drag around icons (inside the cutomize TB window) where he/she wants. Just like in the catalog.
Considering that i dont do this very often, i would rate this wish 5 on 10.
But what about #1? are we not allowed to have all icons in XY? I dont mind another layout viz. [Toolbar][AB, Tabs] or even a three row layout.

About adding/removing buttons : no right-click, but you can dbl-click to do it already.
Dragging buttons on the Customize dialog could be nice, but seeing how you don't do this every day (I would assume) it probably won't get a high priority (if any)

serendipity wrote:But what about #1? are we not allowed to have all icons in XY? I dont mind another layout viz. [Toolbar][AB, Tabs] or even a three row layout.

Get a bigger screen!
Just tried, I can have all buttons on my TB, of course my tabs get reduced to only the folder icon, but it works.

Should there be support for multi-rows? I don't think so. It's bad, ugly, and waste space.
Should there be scrolling support inside the one row/Toolbar? I don't know. You can have a layout with only TB on one row, if you still need more maybe you should try rearrange your TB instead, no?
Should there be support for having the TB within/next to the menubar? Hell yeah!!

jacky wrote:Get a bigger screen!

Should there be support for having the TB within/next to the menubar? Hell yeah!!

Kinda hard with a laptop!

I may be totally wrong on this but I thought I recall something about this not being technically possible from a prior discussion about TB...

j_c_hallgren wrote:

jacky wrote:Should there be support for having the TB within/next to the menubar? Hell yeah!!

I may be totally wrong on this but I thought I recall something about this not being technically possible from a prior discussion about TB...

I don't care, Don is a crazy genius who did many things impossible already, look at your Tree, List, Catalog...

jacky wrote:About adding/removing buttons : no right-click, but you can dbl-click to do it already.
Dragging buttons on the Customize dialog could be nice, but seeing how you don't do this every day (I would assume) it probably won't get a high priority (if any)

Agreed. I had forgotten abt double click to add/remove. See there's another tooltip

serendipity wrote:But what about #1? are we not allowed to have all icons in XY? I dont mind another layout viz. [Toolbar][AB, Tabs] or even a three row layout.

jacky wrote:Get a bigger screen!
Just tried, I can have all buttons on my TB, of course my tabs get reduced to only the folder icon, but it works.

I too can get all of them but AB or tabs are virtually non usable then.

jacky wrote:Should there be support for multi-rows? I don't think so. It's bad, ugly, and waste space.

Yup, no multi-rows plz.

jacky wrote:Should there be scrolling support inside the one row/Toolbar? I don't know. You can have a layout with only TB on one row, if you still need more maybe you should try rearrange your TB instead, no?

there is no layout with toolbar as one row, its always with AB or Tabs and i need both.

jacky wrote:Should there be support for having the TB within/next to the menubar? Hell yeah!!

i have never seen any windows app with anything next to menubar. have you?
if so,
don would love to know,
iam sure.
(haa that rhymes)

serendipity wrote:there is no layout with toolbar as one row, its always with AB or Tabs and i need both.

Right, my bad Maybe as you mentioned a new layout [Toolbar][AB, Tabs] could be a nice idea then... I think the "problem" is that those 2 (AB & Tabs) are always using as much space as they can, while TB is fixed width.
This time either AB or tabs should get a fixed width. Which should it be, and how much (in pixels, or % of XY main window or screen's width) ; those are the questions ?
AB fixed seems to make more sense to me, but maybe not to others - especially given that i don't use AB myself

serendipity wrote:i have never seen any windows app with anything next to menubar. have you?

Sure have. Like Maxthon for one, I'm pretty sure that that thing every one loves called Firefox can do it too. My FTP client does as well, and there are (many) more...
It's not doable "like that" when using standard Windows menus, but it can be done using your own "menu system", or it could be "pretend" by painting your own menutiems... either way, it would allow me to use all that wasted space and I would love it beyond words

jacky wrote: Sure have. Like Maxthon for one, I'm pretty sure that that thing every one loves called Firefox can do it too. My FTP client does as well, and there are (many) more...
It's not doable "like that" when using standard Windows menus, but it can be done using your own "menu system", or it could be "pretend" by painting your own menutiems... either way, it would allow me to use all that wasted space and I would love it beyond words

Aah, good to know. But again, its no biggie. few wasted pixels wont ruin my day. I was more concerned abt icons because sometime down the line Big icons are planned.

My setup is (TB & AB)(Tabs), which means my AB is quite narrow, but since I don't use it heavily, it's ok for now, but now IF I could put AB on same line as Menubar, that would allow my AB to be a width that makes it more usable...and would match my IE layout, plus then allow my TB to take a full line and put all the icons I'd ever want there...that would mean a three line layout, but that's kinda what we have already, just that Menubar is not available for anything else now...

jacky wrote: I'm pretty sure that that thing every one loves called Firefox can do it too.

It can. That's why everyone loves it, nah!