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Re: Tab displaying issues

Posted: 06 Dec 2009 14:26
by PeterH
Oh - much to say...
j_c_hallgren wrote:
PeterH wrote:But can't this be seen by the missing \ (not) following c: :?:
I thought I'd plainly explained my view on that in the post you quoted: It can be seen but may be overlooked more easily...the space makes it hard to not notice...remember that some of us don't have eagle-eye vison so sometimes little things like that can be of more significance.
I'm not sure someone not seeing the missing \ will see the added space?

But ok - played around a bit. Had not selected "Display Folder Name Only". Test: made tabs smaller - text was abbreviated with ... . Still made smaller: Drive disappeared :(
Hey, this is a wish: it should be possible to keep drive here, too!

OK: changed TabFolderNameOnly to 2. Quite nice, if you often have small tabs.
(In most situations I prefer seeing all and maybe let XY abbreviate. But would like allways to see drive.)

One note: if, in any config, space is too small, abbreviation is by ..., and this needs quite some space. As does (a bit) the space behind c:
So, from me too, the question: is it possible to reduce this by using any "strange" signs, that are easy to recognize, not allowed in filenames, and rather short? (One to replace ": ", the other for "...".) This really could help save some space. Maybe "arrow up" for ": "? I don't know what signs could be available...

Or, instead of ": ", mark the drive by other (background?) color, reverse fore-/background, or so?

...just some ideas...

Re: Tab displaying issues

Posted: 06 Dec 2009 14:50
by admin
PeterH wrote:Oh - much to say...
j_c_hallgren wrote:
PeterH wrote:But can't this be seen by the missing \ (not) following c: :?:
I thought I'd plainly explained my view on that in the post you quoted: It can be seen but may be overlooked more easily...the space makes it hard to not notice...remember that some of us don't have eagle-eye vison so sometimes little things like that can be of more significance.
I'm not sure someone not seeing the missing \ will see the added space?

But ok - played around a bit. Had not selected "Display Folder Name Only". Test: made tabs smaller - text was abbreviated with ... . Still made smaller: Drive disappeared :(
Hey, this is a wish: it should be possible to keep drive here, too!

OK: changed TabFolderNameOnly to 2. Quite nice, if you often have small tabs.
(In most situations I prefer seeing all and maybe let XY abbreviate. But would like allways to see drive.)

One note: if, in any config, space is too small, abbreviation is by ..., and this needs quite some space. As does (a bit) the space behind c:
So, from me too, the question: is it possible to reduce this by using any "strange" signs, that are easy to recognize, not allowed in filenames, and rather short? (One to replace ": ", the other for "...".) This really could help save some space. Maybe "arrow up" for ": "? I don't know what signs could be available...

Or, instead of ": ", mark the drive by other (background?) color, reverse fore-/background, or so?

...just some ideas...
Wait until you see the next version...

Re: Tab displaying issues

Posted: 06 Dec 2009 15:47
by j_c_hallgren
admin wrote:Wait until you see the next version...
Which has

Code: Select all

v8.70.0009 - 2009-12-06 14:57
    * Configuration | Tabs: Rewrote the customization of the tab 
      captions. Now you have a dropdown "Tab captions" with 3 choices:
        - Full path
        - Folder only
        - Custom
      The last one can be further defined by using the Custom button. 
      While the factory default is
        <drive>: <folder>
      you can do anything that crosses your mind, e.g.
        <folder> (<drive>)
        <folder> on <drive>:
        etc.
And I've defined my custom as "<drive>:~<folder>" which I'd suggested far above...this works GREAT for me! Love it! Thanks SO much!

Re: Tab displaying issues

Posted: 06 Dec 2009 20:45
by zer0
Now that you've added this custom format, I have a question. I have the format set to 'Folder only'. However, when I name and then un-name a tab, the full path is shown in the header. Is that suppose to happen? :?

Re: Tab displaying issues

Posted: 06 Dec 2009 20:52
by admin
zer0 wrote:Now that you've added this custom format, I have a question. I have the format set to 'Folder only'. However, when I name and then un-name a tab, the full path is shown in the header. Is that suppose to happen? :?
Correct. Looks like a bug (a very temporary one because on next redraw the correct caption is shown) -- BTW an old one. Has always been like this. Actually I wonder whether it's good as it is: let's you shortly see where you are.

Re: Tab displaying issues

Posted: 06 Dec 2009 21:03
by zer0
admin wrote:Correct. Looks like a bug (a very temporary one because on next redraw the correct caption is shown) -- BTW an old one. Has always been like this. Actually I wonder whether it's good as it is: let's you shortly see where you are.
Hmm. If un-naming is supposed to bring a tab back to what it was before naming then full path is the wrong thing to show (unless that's the setting). Also, if location of a tab is locked then redraw won't happen unless XY is restarted. Regarding seeing the full location where one is: isn't AB there for that? ;)

Re: Tab displaying issues

Posted: 06 Dec 2009 21:04
by admin
zer0 wrote:
admin wrote:Correct. Looks like a bug (a very temporary one because on next redraw the correct caption is shown) -- BTW an old one. Has always been like this. Actually I wonder whether it's good as it is: let's you shortly see where you are.
Hmm. If un-naming is supposed to bring a tab back to what it was before naming then full path is the wrong thing to show (unless that's the setting). Also, if location of a tab is locked then redraw won't happen unless XY is restarted. Regarding seeing the full location where one is: isn't AB there for that? ;)
Yes, in the meantime I fixed it already. :)

Re: Tab displaying issues

Posted: 06 Dec 2009 23:33
by PeterH
admin wrote:Wait until you see the next version...
On one side not bad, but...
...first tested on topic ("custom"): couldn't do what I want. Tried to use a "very strange" character behind <drive> - but what can I use here? "|" or "~" are not so very strange! Tried to copy/paste some symbol from word, but that didn't work...
...further: shortening tab leads to abbreviation from right to left: very good! But abbreviation still with ..., hiding quite much of text. Would prefer something "strange but shorter" here.

...then bit OT: selected "full path" again. Moderately shortening length of tab :arrow: E:\Multimedia\Fotos\Nikon was abbreviated to E:\Multimedia\Fotos\Ni... :?: :?: A little bit more shortening lead to E:\Multimedia\F...\Nikon - that seems to be correct.
More shortening deleted char by char beginning left of ... - until ...\Nikon remained. E|Nikon (| as "strange sign") would be better for me.

So priorities (starting with high) for me:
- a "strange sign" to replace ": "
- ability to replace "...", and second other sign for that
(Found ¶ is possible, arrows are not? Looked at times new roman. No idea...)
- ability for full path to shorten E:...Nikon to E|Nikon (or alike), then further abbreviate from right.

(Sorry - sometimes I can't get enough 8) )
At least I hope you can understand what I mean?

Re: Tab displaying issues

Posted: 07 Dec 2009 08:41
by admin
PeterH wrote:
admin wrote:Wait until you see the next version...
On one side not bad, but...
...first tested on topic ("custom"): couldn't do what I want. Tried to use a "very strange" character behind <drive> - but what can I use here? "|" or "~" are not so very strange! Tried to copy/paste some symbol from word, but that didn't work...
...further: shortening tab leads to abbreviation from right to left: very good! But abbreviation still with ..., hiding quite much of text. Would prefer something "strange but shorter" here.

...then bit OT: selected "full path" again. Moderately shortening length of tab :arrow: E:\Multimedia\Fotos\Nikon was abbreviated to E:\Multimedia\Fotos\Ni... :?: :?: A little bit more shortening lead to E:\Multimedia\F...\Nikon - that seems to be correct.
More shortening deleted char by char beginning left of ... - until ...\Nikon remained. E|Nikon (| as "strange sign") would be better for me.

So priorities (starting with high) for me:
- a "strange sign" to replace ": "
- ability to replace "...", and second other sign for that
(Found ¶ is possible, arrows are not? Looked at times new roman. No idea...)
- ability for full path to shorten E:...Nikon to E|Nikon (or alike), then further abbreviate from right.

(Sorry - sometimes I can't get enough 8) )
At least I hope you can understand what I mean?
I agree that the Nikon case is not good (but -- contrary to my recent claim -- I do you use Windows native path shortening here and cannot change it easily).
Strange sign: too strange for me (and also controlled by Windows native path shortening).

BTW, pasting an upper unicode char from Word or so into the Custom pattern should work. :?

Re: Tab displaying issues

Posted: 07 Dec 2009 15:12
by Stefan
admin wrote:So, did anybody try it??
TabFolderNameOnly=2
...
v8.70.0009 - 2009-12-06 14:57
* Configuration | Tabs: Rewrote the customization of the tab
captions. Now you have a dropdown "Tab captions" with 3 choices:
- Full path
- Folder only
- Custom
Yes, looks good, with share too. Thank you Don.

Re: Tab displaying issues

Posted: 07 Dec 2009 16:45
by PeterH
admin wrote: I agree that the Nikon case is not good (but -- contrary to my recent claim -- I do you use Windows native path shortening here and cannot change it easily).
Strange sign: too strange for me (and also controlled by Windows native path shortening).

BTW, pasting an upper unicode char from Word or so into the Custom pattern should work. :?
"Win native path shortening" - ok, would not change that.

But what do you mean with "'upper' unicode char"?

Re: Tab displaying issues

Posted: 07 Dec 2009 16:57
by admin
PeterH wrote:But what do you mean with "'upper' unicode char"?
I thought you meant this by:
"Tried to copy/paste some symbol from word, but that didn't work..."

But now I think you were rather talking about a special font. This cannot work of course.

With "'upper' unicode char" I mean double byte characters, typically used for non-european writing systems.

Re: Tab displaying issues

Posted: 07 Dec 2009 18:14
by PeterH
Yes, äh, no :oops:
Sorry - I really am no specialist here.

Yes: I meant copy a (special) character from word - as I can search for those in symbol table.
No: I didn't mean the font for the symbol, just the code.
But: in some way these are related? In symbol table I first have to select "Schriftart" (sorry: german), then maybe Subset.

Now I'm interested for an arrow-up ↑, for example. I find it e.g. in Times New Roman, Subset Pfeile. But those arrows don't show when copied to XY. Though Symbol table shows it's code 2191 of Unicode.
Hey - just tested inserting arrow-up ↑ here in text, and as seen above, it works :shock: Why doesn't it in XY? XY just shows a square for every arrow. Hey - if I copy that square from XY into this text, the ↑ is shown again. So inside XY is the code for the arrow, but XY refuses to display it :cry:

OK - I'll stop this now and wait for a response. Either I understand something wrong, or XY (here: in the dialog for custom format tab headers) doesn't display all unicode signs?

Or does ...
...hey again: I'm learning? Is this the question if a dbcs code is represented in a character set? So looked for a sign in Verdana (seems to be the char set in XY for this case?) (sorry - not so much possibilities as in TNR) and inserted ∫ to XY :arrow: that worked :D

Am I on the right way to enlightment :?:

Re: Tab displaying issues

Posted: 07 Dec 2009 20:53
by nony
Thanks for custom format. :D

Re: Tab displaying issues

Posted: 07 Dec 2009 20:59
by admin
PeterH wrote:Am I on the right way to enlightment :?:
Yep, looks like. Bon voyage!