Dual Pane - Formal Proposal Thread

[j_c_hallgren]

3) Also, I wonder why not to add the option "the other pane" to menu File > copy/move/backup to in case of DP.

3) hm, maybe

Speaking of this type of ability: In x2, I have a TB icon "Copy To", which when clicked, pops-up a dialog with my three basic choices of destination: 1) opposite pane 2) "here" which has a dropdown & ability to browse for desired 3) tab which lists avail tabs...

When I've used x2 for various DP tasks in past, I've used opt 1 quite heavily as I can get files to other pane in one click + Enter key (or F5 + Enter) but also have option to go to other places...(BTW, drag&drop is something I don't do that often after making a few mistakes)...so far, I'm not seeing (maybe it's me?) as easy a way to do this in XY...yes, there is 'Copy to other pane' but that requires going to Panes, moving cursor down to correct entry, and then another click vs two keystrokes that are standard and easy to recall.

While it's not really a part of DP, now just wondering how does XY compare to x2 in the ability to copy to another tab via two/three mouseclicks?

[jjk]

3) Also, I wonder why not to add the option "the other pane" to menu File > copy/move/backup to in case of DP.

3) hm, maybe

Speaking of this type of ability: In x2, I have a TB icon "Copy To", which when clicked, pops-up a dialog with my three basic choices of destination: 1) opposite pane 2) "here" which has a dropdown & ability to browse for desired 3) tab which lists avail tabs...

TC has such copy/move dialog to
1) copy to opposite pane
2) only files matching pattern
3) copy in background
4) choosing destination in tree (browsing)
5) Cancel
6) options in case of overwriting 1)ask user 2)overwrite all 3)skip all 4)replace oldest 5)auto rename copied 6)auto rename targets 7)overwrite smaller 7)overwrite larger
7) other options : a)copy NTFS permissions b)skip all which cannot be opened for reading c)overwrite/delete ro/h/s
I asked to the author to add "Copy/Move to favorite dirs, but without success till now.

I find "auto rename" very useful.

[admin]

3) Also, I wonder why not to add the option "the other pane" to menu File > copy/move/backup to in case of DP.

3) hm, maybe

Speaking of this type of ability: In x2, I have a TB icon "Copy To", which when clicked, pops-up a dialog with my three basic choices of destination: 1) opposite pane 2) "here" which has a dropdown & ability to browse for desired 3) tab which lists avail tabs...

TC has such copy/move dialog to
1) copy to opposite pane
2) only files matching pattern
3) copy in background
4) choosing destination in tree (browsing)
5) Cancel
6) options in case of overwriting 1)ask user 2)overwrite all 3)skip all 4)replace oldest 5)auto rename copied 6)auto rename targets 7)overwrite smaller 7)overwrite larger
7) other options : a)copy NTFS permissions b)skip all which cannot be opened for reading c)overwrite/delete ro/h/s
I asked to the author to add "Copy/Move to favorite dirs, but without success till now.

I find "auto rename" very useful.

OK, this is another topic rather, not DP.

BTW, a sort of "auto rename" is contained in XY in various places ("suffix" blah...), and in the SC "new" when you state a source.

[admin]

...yes, there is 'Copy to other pane' but that requires going to Panes, moving cursor down to correct entry, and then another click vs two keystrokes that are standard and easy to recall.

Hmm, I read this 5 times and it seems it only makes sense on the assumption that you assume there won't be any keyboard shortcuts for these commands. Come on...

[Gandolf]

You already have the command - "Edit | Copy to...". Simply make the default location the other pane. Perhaps only available if Dual pane is enabled? Dual pane copy / move usually has an option to bypass the prompt, either with a modifier key, or as the default

If you start to put basic file management commands (like copy, move) into a separate Dual pane menu then it looks like it's an add on and not part of the main file manager. Perhaps that's how you want to portray D.P. in XY.

[j_c_hallgren]

...yes, there is 'Copy to other pane' but that requires going to Panes, moving cursor down to correct entry, and then another click vs two keystrokes that are standard and easy to recall.

Hmm, I read this 5 times and it seems it only makes sense on the assumption that you assume there won't be any keyboard shortcuts for these commands. Come on...

Well, I didn't quite say that properly I guess...given that I'm using a laptop touchpad, which means I can move from it to keyboard (or reverse) much easier/quicker than from regular mouse to KB, I can perform the "Copy To Opposite Pane" operation with more accuracy by less total cursor & finger movement in x2 than in XY and if I were a heavy/regular user of x2 looking to convert, that could be a factor...that's my point...see?

XY does have a "Copy To" TB icon, but the destinations there presently do not include the "other pane" or other current tabs...that's where I could see some enhancements to make it more compatible, ok? As Gandolf stated above but he was referring to menu, while I mean the TB variant.

Like in the case of DP...maybe via a button that, when DP is active, would be preselected to have the opposite pane as destination and if you wanted, you could choose alternatives...

[jjk]

You already have the command - "Edit | Copy to...". Simply make the default location the other pane. Perhaps only available if Dual pane is enabled?

But how can I make the default location the other pane ? I didn't find that, yet DP is enabled.

Dual pane copy / move usually has an option to bypass the prompt, either with a modifier key, or as the default

I didn't find that neither in XY. Do you mean in other DP explorers ? Anyway, I don't want to bypass the prompt, I want to see a prompt.
Can you help me to find what I am not able to do ?
TIA

[Gandolf]

Apologies jjk, I was trying to do three jobs at the same time and didn't multi-task very well.

The post was supposed to be addressed to Don (admin) since it followed his post directly and was a recommendation of how things should be done and not how they are at present.
As for the prompt by-pass, that is normally (as I said) via a modifier key. F5 to copy with prompt, Ctrl+F5 without. It's very much personal choice whether you like the prompt or not.

[admin]

...yes, there is 'Copy to other pane' but that requires going to Panes, moving cursor down to correct entry, and then another click vs two keystrokes that are standard and easy to recall.

Hmm, I read this 5 times and it seems it only makes sense on the assumption that you assume there won't be any keyboard shortcuts for these commands. Come on...

Well, I didn't quite say that properly I guess...given that I'm using a laptop touchpad, which means I can move from it to keyboard (or reverse) much easier/quicker than from regular mouse to KB, I can perform the "Copy To Opposite Pane" operation with more accuracy by less total cursor & finger movement in x2 than in XY and if I were a heavy/regular user of x2 looking to convert, that could be a factor...that's my point...see?

XY does have a "Copy To" TB icon, but the destinations there presently do not include the "other pane" or other current tabs...that's where I could see some enhancements to make it more compatible, ok? As Gandolf stated above but he was referring to menu, while I mean the TB variant.

Like in the case of DP...maybe via a button that, when DP is active, would be preselected to have the opposite pane as destination and if you wanted, you could choose alternatives...

You want a KB way to move/copy to other pane? You'll get it. (In next version) assign key "M" to "Move to other pane" and it's one key. What could be faster?

[admin]

Tree is difficult! What particular situation is not satisfying?

If, for example, I right click a zip file (where the contents include subdirectories), and extract it to another folder... When it's done and I go to that destination folder, the subdirectories show up in the file list, but that destination parent directory is not expandable (i.e. there is no plus sign next to it). So, I can't hit the right arrow or asterisk keys in order to expand it out. I always have to hit F5 first (which I have configured to refresh both the tree and list), so that the Tree refreshes and recognizes that there are subfolders that can be opened.

I encounter this situation extremely frequently, and it just seems that it shouldn't be necessary to refresh the Tree manually in this circumstance. Ideally, it would show the plus indicator showing it has subdirectories even before I jumped to the destination parent folder - but it certainly should show it once I'm there.

Am I mistaken - is this not an Auto Refresh issue?

This depends a lot on the exact circumstances. I tried various ways to extract a zip with paths and the tree was always refreshed alright.

Are you drag'n'dropping the zip?
To a parent/sibling/child path of the current path?
In MiniTree or MaxiTree?

[Demset]

I've got something to add to mesh's response. If the destination parent folder is expanded already in the tree, you don't see the new directories appear as they are created - you have to refresh the Tree manually in order to get them to show up.

After you do what?

Sorry - I meant in the same set of circumstances as mesh was writing about. If I'm extracting an archive with subdirectories.

[Mesh]

admin wrote
2) there is the usual shell overwrite prompt; what else di you want?

Just, as an option, a msgbox to warn I am copying/moving to other pane. OK, it is my act. But I like to get a warning before doing such actions, in case I was wrong.

Seems like overkill to me. That's like getting a msg box when you drag and drop - unnecessary and annoying. But that's my point of view.

[Mesh]

This depends a lot on the exact circumstances. I tried various ways to extract a zip with paths and the tree was always refreshed alright.

Are you drag'n'dropping the zip?
To a parent/sibling/child path of the current path?
In MiniTree or MaxiTree?

The problem occurs whether I right click the file and extract it from there, or if I double click the file so that the archive program opens first. I have extracted multiple archives simultaneously with each to a seperate folder under the current one; I have also extracted them to a completely different folder that has no relation to the current path. It's always done in the full tree, and I've done it with both WinZip 12, as well as WinRAR 3.71 and WinRAR 3.80.

My first guess is that if you don't have that problem, you're either using different apps, or there's a Configuration setting that's affecting this.

[admin]

This depends a lot on the exact circumstances. I tried various ways to extract a zip with paths and the tree was always refreshed alright.

Are you drag'n'dropping the zip?
To a parent/sibling/child path of the current path?
In MiniTree or MaxiTree?

The problem occurs whether I right click the file and extract it from there, or if I double click the file so that the archive program opens first. I have extracted multiple archives simultaneously with each to a seperate folder under the current one; I have also extracted them to a completely different folder that has no relation to the current path. It's always done in the full tree, and I've done it with both WinZip 12, as well as WinRAR 3.71 and WinRAR 3.80.

My first guess is that if you don't have that problem, you're either using different apps, or there's a Configuration setting that's affecting this.

Well, I've done what I can but cannot find any problem. With AR on it works alright over here.

[Muroph]

If, for example, I right click a zip file (where the contents include subdirectories), and extract it to another folder... When it's done and I go to that destination folder, the subdirectories show up in the file list, but that destination parent directory is not expandable (i.e. there is no plus sign next to it).

this also happens to me occasionaly, but it doesn't bother me that much since it only affect the tree.
however, i have a more annoying problem with winrar.
i frequently use a profile from the context menu wich have "delete files after archiving" and "put each file to separate archive".
sometimes, when i compress a group of folders using that profile (i.e. each folder will be on a separate rar), the list is not updated correctly.
it seem like xy stops refreshing after a few changes, so the list (and tree) still shows some of the deleted folders, and some of the new rars are missing.
refreshing or trying to open one of the folders fixes the list, but not the tree.