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Dual Pane Wishes

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Re: Dual Pane Wishes

Posted: 08 Aug 2009 07:59
by noir
I don't see how DP effects anything, its not on by default and its only one option to enable it , other then that it runs the same as always,

Maybe give more info on the problem you have so everyone can understand the situation better.

Re: Dual Pane Wishes

Posted: 08 Aug 2009 23:50
by admin
jacky wrote:
admin wrote:I'll try to add the "Wide Tabs" option to 8.20.
:D
Okay, in SP mode this is easy:

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TAB TAB TAB... | TOOLBAR
TREE | LIST
or
TOOLBAR | TAB TAB TAB...
TREE | LIST
But what shall happen when (vertical) DP is turned on? Where is the second tab bar? This layout can hardly work with DP. So it will be a layout that only applies to SP mode. Once you turn on the second pane, the setting is ignored. Now I don't see a good way to put such a thing into the layout menu because it will be very confusing to users that have never seen XYplorer old pre-DP layout. So it rather has to be a tweak... something like SinglePaneLayout= 0 / 1 / 2 / 3 / 4, where:
0 = Same As Dual Pane (the state of things now)
1 = [Address Bar] [Toolbar & Tabs]
2 = [Address Bar] [Tabs & Toolbar]
3 = [Toolbar & Tabs] [Address Bar]
4 = [Tabs & Toolbar] [Address Bar]

It's not that easy to implement so I'll do it only after publication of 8.20.

Re: Dual Pane Wishes

Posted: 09 Aug 2009 01:27
by PeterH
Isn't it so that people want something like [Address & Toolbar][(wide) Tabs]?
(I.e. Tabs alone.)

And I think it's not so hard to understand the meaning of the configuraton. And just those people having problems with the current situation might dislike an ini-tweak?

Re: Dual Pane Wishes

Posted: 09 Aug 2009 09:00
by admin
PeterH wrote:Isn't it so that people want something like [Address & Toolbar][(wide) Tabs]?
(I.e. Tabs alone.)

And I think it's not so hard to understand the meaning of the configuraton. And just those people having problems with the current situation might dislike an ini-tweak?
Yes! It came to my mind shortly after I turned off the machine yesterday... (Saturday night isn't for computers anyway...). So what about this:
New item in Menu Window with 5 options (the last 4 are exactly what we had before DP):

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Single Pane Layout (submenu)
  Same As Dual Pane
  [Address Bar] [Toolbar & Tabs]
  [Address Bar] [Tabs & Toolbar]
  [Toolbar & Address Bar] [Tabs]
  [Address Bar & Toolbar] [Tabs]

Re: Dual Pane Wishes

Posted: 09 Aug 2009 13:40
by jacky
admin wrote:So what about this:
New item in Menu Window with 5 options (the last 4 are exactly what we had before DP):

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Single Pane Layout (submenu)
  Same As Dual Pane
  [Address Bar] [Toolbar & Tabs]
  [Address Bar] [Tabs & Toolbar]
  [Toolbar & Address Bar] [Tabs]
  [Address Bar & Toolbar] [Tabs]
Sounds perfect.

Re: Dual Pane Wishes

Posted: 09 Aug 2009 13:48
by zer0
I'd also like to see

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[Toolbar & Address Bar & Tabs]
This will of course only be useful if AB can be made resizeable.

Re: Dual Pane Wishes

Posted: 17 Aug 2009 09:36
by admin
jacky wrote:
admin wrote:So what about this:
New item in Menu Window with 5 options (the last 4 are exactly what we had before DP):

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Single Pane Layout (submenu)
  Same As Dual Pane
  [Address Bar] [Toolbar & Tabs]
  [Address Bar] [Tabs & Toolbar]
  [Toolbar & Address Bar] [Tabs]
  [Address Bar & Toolbar] [Tabs]
Sounds perfect.
Done. 8)

Not untricky. There are endless combinations of layouts now, and switches from one to the other, all highly optimized. See if you can make it fail...

BTW, I decided to make it a tweak for now. I'm still thinking about how confusing this menu would be for a newbie who never saw the old pre-DP way and probably does not miss it.

Re: Dual Pane Wishes

Posted: 17 Aug 2009 16:08
by zer0
To throw a cat amongst the pigeons...

None of the current layouts allow tabs to be on top. Is that such an unorthodox look? Methinks not, because Google Chrome already has it and I remember seeing mock-ups of a future version of Firefox (or a mod thereof), where tabs were at the top. The current hierarchy means that AB will always be above the tabs and I'm sure that for some people that works very well, but...

Personally, I use neither the AB (not in its current incarnation, anyway) nor tabs. However, if I was to use one of those, most likely it will be tabs. At the moment, I'm waiting for CTBs so I can fill the main row above Tree and List panes with my buttons ( :twisted: ).

Would it not be better and for greater flexibility, to assign a number to each of Tabs, AB and Toolbar and then users will be free to make their own comma-separated list of how they'd want to arrange those components? How to shift to a new row? Use semicolon. So, for example, for

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[Address Bar] [Toolbar & Tabs]
your tweak would look like this

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LayoutSP=1;2,3
where AB is 1, Toolbar is 2 and Tabs is 3.

I maybe making the whole thing slightly more complicated, but I'm also making it easier for each one of us to have complete freedom over where and in what order those components go. I'd wholeheartedly welcome this flexibility.

Re: Dual Pane Wishes

Posted: 17 Aug 2009 16:56
by j_c_hallgren
zer0 wrote:Would it not be better and for greater flexibility, to assign a number to each of Tabs, AB and Toolbar and then users will be free to make their own comma-separated list of how they'd want to arrange those components? How to shift to a new row? Use semicolon. So, for example, for

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[Address Bar] [Toolbar & Tabs]
your tweak would look like this

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LayoutSP=1;2,3
where AB is 1, Toolbar is 2 and Tabs is 3.
Idea seems interesting but I wouldn't use nbrs but codes like AB, TB & TA or similar..or DP for same as there...would make it easier to follow...as in

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LayoutSP=AB;TB,TA

Re: Dual Pane Wishes

Posted: 17 Aug 2009 18:34
by jacky
admin wrote:Done. 8)
Awesome! :D Thanks a lot, and with this I finally jumped into the world of XY8! 8)
admin wrote:BTW, I decided to make it a tweak for now. I'm still thinking about how confusing this menu would be for a newbie who never saw the old pre-DP way and probably does not miss it.
Not a problem for me, as long as I have my layout I'm happy :)

Although, <pita>, isn't it confusing also to see a layout (in menu Window|Layout) that says "Address Bar & Toolbar" while that is actually not what I'm getting? :P (Truth is, I don't care (that much) about it myself, just I noticed it...)

Re: Dual Pane Wishes

Posted: 17 Aug 2009 20:34
by admin
jacky wrote:
admin wrote:Done. 8)
Awesome! :D Thanks a lot, and with this I finally jumped into the world of XY8! 8)
Welcome! (Although I fear that you compiled a long lists of bugs & wishes in the meantime that you now will unleash on me... :mrgreen: )
jacky wrote:Although, <pita>, isn't it confusing also to see a layout (in menu Window|Layout) that says "Address Bar & Toolbar" while that is actually not what I'm getting? :P (Truth is, I don't care (that much) about it myself, just I noticed it...)
A tweak is a tweak. But even if I would add a submenu "Single Pane Layout" to menu Window it would be difficult to do it in a non-confusing way. Or do you see a way?

Re: Dual Pane Wishes

Posted: 17 Aug 2009 20:51
by jacky
admin wrote:Although I fear that you compiled a long lists of bugs & wishes in the meantime that you now will unleash on me... :mrgreen:
hehe... nah no worries, I'm way too lazy for that! (err.. I mean, I wouldn't do that to you) ;)
admin wrote:A tweak is a tweak. But even if I would add a submenu "Single Pane Layout" to menu Window it would be difficult to do it in a non-confusing way. Or do you see a way?
Well, adding a submenu "SP Layout" you could have it enabled only when DP is off, that might help. Or, keeping this a tweak, you could simply remove any checkmark from the menu when the tweak is used (and DP off), as to not indicate as active a layout that isn't really being used.
Or, you know, a tweak if a tweak, and that's it. ;)

BTW & OT, how come "Dual Pane" isn't on the list of "modules/features" ? If there's one useless feature it is this one! :P ;)

Re: Dual Pane Wishes

Posted: 17 Aug 2009 20:54
by admin
jacky wrote:BTW & OT, how come "Dual Pane" isn't on the list of "modules/features" ? If there's one useless feature it is this one! :P ;)
LOL :D That's also a good idea for the name of the section: "Useless Features" :mrgreen:

Re: Dual Pane Wishes

Posted: 18 Aug 2009 00:29
by jbm
Ah, I'm back from vacation, and there's been discussion over the topic since I posted, wow! Thanks for listening, and even more for acting.

Yes, the swappable single pane artifact of DP is fun. But I often go for long stretches where XY is not the focus of what I'm doing (though sometimes it is), and so having a single, consistent view that I don't mess with too much (and lots of tabs!) plus a few, selected tools I love like the address bar filters, Find Files, Raw View, combined, really puts me in the groove.

Thanks to all involved in the development of XY!

Re: Dual Pane Wishes

Posted: 18 Aug 2009 07:47
by admin
jbm wrote:Yes, the swappable single pane artifact of DP is fun. But I often go for long stretches where XY is not the focus of what I'm doing (though sometimes it is), and so having a single, consistent view that I don't mess with too much (and lots of tabs!) plus a few, selected tools I love like the address bar filters, Find Files, Raw View, combined, really puts me in the groove.
Welcome back! So, this means now that I added it you won't use it, because (a) you got used to the DP layout, or (b) it's still not enough of the old "wide tab" layout?
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