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Re: The keys

Posted: 11 Apr 2007 22:05
by admin
CyGho wrote:
admin wrote: These can be freely combined with any combination of Ctrl/Shift/Alt (including none), means we'll have 58 * 8 = 464 key combos available. Probably more than you can remember, so that should be enough for a start! :)
Well, if you have enough.........:) Remember this old wish from me?
http://www.xyplorer.com/xyfc/viewtopic. ... highlight=
Actually there will be even more (ca. 650 key combos -- depends on your keyboard and locale) available. 8)

Posted: 11 Apr 2007 22:20
by CyGho
So, we can make keyboard shortcuts to folders? Cool...:)

Posted: 12 Apr 2007 19:07
by j_c_hallgren
Just now starting to look at beta with CKS...looks quite promising! :D
However, here's a few items to think about:
1) Add a "Help" button with a some of the comments you had put in release notes about CKS, such as restrictions, etc.
2) Even though it may be common, the use of "Press new shortcut key" could, IMO, be better understood without the word "Press".
3) You may well be working on this, but a way to print the customized list would seem to be needed so one can create a cheat-sheet easily.
4) Does the "reset all" do it to all categories or just the current one? Same for "remove all"...it could be interpreted both ways possibly.
5) In category "various functions without GUI", the "Esc" is much further to left than other categories show it...there also might be a better name for this category, but not sure what yet, as current name is a bit "huh?"
6) In one appl I've seen, when you type in new shortcut, you use checkboxes to add the "Cntl", "Shift", and "Alt" so only keys you need to type are actual Fx, etc.
7) Has the possibility of separate left/right for shift/alt/cntl been considered or discarded? As I've also seen this done...

Don't get me wrong, you've done a LOT of great work thus far, but now that we have something to see, my brain can start working on things like this... :wink:

Posted: 12 Apr 2007 19:19
by admin
j_c_hallgren wrote:Don't get me wrong, you've done a LOT of great work thus far, but now that we have something to see, my brain can start working on things like this... :wink:
Don't get me wrong, your brain has done a lot of great work, but... :wink: ... just kidding. Yeah, let it flow... I read everything here and take it into consideration.

Posted: 12 Apr 2007 19:39
by surrender
My first thoughts on CKS:

1. Let me be the first one to ask for a toolbar button :) .
2. Columns such as "shortcut" and "action" in the commands window would be good.
3. If you dont plan to have too many categories then it might be convenient to have category dropdown without the vertical scrollbar.

More comments coming soon...

Posted: 12 Apr 2007 21:48
by jacky
Ok, like everyone else here i started to look, so I'll give my 2 cents as well ;)

- I agree with jc, no need for "Press", just leave "New Shortcut Key"

- It would be better if it was clean when we do not press a valid shortcut, eg don't let "Ctrl+Alt+???" when keys are released, clear it up (less confusing I think)

- A few keys behaves in ways they shouldn't I think:
F10 affects the focus, gives it to the menu (in this case the system/window ctxt menu, doen't popup but pressing down afterwards will have it shown)
Enter and Esc are accelerators for the Ok/Cancel buttons unless focus is on the textbox, bad thing, should behave the same on List too IMO (you can remove the accelerators here, no biggy & safer anyways)

- When pressing an already assign shortcut, it says to which command it is assigned to. That's cool. Even better would be a link/button there to "Go there", that would bring us to that category/command. Would also be a cool way of searching for shortcuts/commands...

- Speaking of which, pressing a key when the List has focus brings us to the first item starting with that letter, classic 'find as you type' feature. Only I'm not really sure it's that useful here but it actually is confusing, because it does it also when holding Ctrl for example.
So select a command, press Ctrl+O and you're moved to another command (eg. Open...)

- Just a note, you probably know it already but, with the popup the menu shortcuts (Rename Special, etc) it might beeps depending on the shortcut used. eg; Ctrl+R beeps, Ctrl+Alt+R doesn't

- Do you have to change the List visible area when a shortcut is assigned/removed, tis a little confusing at times, I think

- I understand the shortcuts list is alpha-sorted. Why not, but it could be nice to let us choose which one we want as "default" (ie shown in menus) Because one might use 2 shortcuts for one feature, but the first one in order might not be the one most likely to be used/easier to remember/shorter (as in in characters, for menu's width)

- Pressing keys to define a shortcut works on textbox & List, but it's always lost after we add one (focus gone), maybe you could reset it back so it's easier to assign a few shortcuts/replace a shortcut to the same command? Have it back to the list sounds the best to me, so after click on the button one can set a new shortcut or move to a next command using arrow keys.

- For the same reasons, I would probably recommand to change the tab order, to have List, Assign, Remove. So one can select a command on list using arrow keys, press the shortcut, Tab, Enter to assign it, and with the focus back automatically arrow keys allow to move on to the next command.

- As jc mentionned, Reset/Remove All buttons should make clear (in their confirmation popup) that it's a global thing, not limited to one category.

- Again like jc, I think it all shortcuts were aligned the same no matter how long the commands captions are would probably look better/less confusing.
I would also vote for having something that says "there's more than one shortcut assigned", eg add ", ..." if there are others

Posted: 13 Apr 2007 10:12
by admin
j_c_hallgren wrote:5) In category "various functions without GUI", the "Esc" is much further to left than other categories show it...there also might be a better name for this category, but not sure what yet, as current name is a bit "huh?"
If you have something less "huh?"...

Posted: 13 Apr 2007 15:45
by j_c_hallgren
admin wrote:If you have something less "huh?"...
Since there was only one entry at time I looked, maybe just "Common functions" or similar?

Posted: 13 Apr 2007 15:54
by surrender
or simply Miscellaneous?

Posted: 14 Apr 2007 09:18
by admin
surrender wrote:or simply Miscellaneous?
Okay, I always liked this bizzare word.

Posted: 16 Apr 2007 15:15
by surrender
surrender wrote:1. Let me be the first one to ask for a toolbar button :) .
Thanks for the Lego style CKS button. :)

Shift+Del

Posted: 16 Apr 2007 23:56
by admin
One thing just popped into my mind: as you all know holding Shift while deleting a file (by key, by menu, by button...) will delete it without using the recycle bin. I think this should definitely stay like this. It's a Windows standard.

But what are the consequences for CKS?
Right now you can map anything onto Delete (Recycle), e.g. "7". Should Shift+7 now automatically mean Delete (No Recycle)??? But what if you map Shift+7 to something completely different?

The only way I see (and can do without a lot of rewriting) is:
Have a function/command "Delete (No Recycle)" with factory default key Shift+DEL. You can change that key to whatever you want, and you can assign Shift+DEL to any function you want (if you are that crazy).
However, with non-keyboard-triggered deletion, holding Shift keeps its common Windows functionality: No Recycle. You cannot change that!

Okay?

(No sane person would change those keys anyway)

PS: of course there will be that madman that will define Shift+Del to Delete Recycle -- sigh! -- so I gotta rewrite my 8-year-standing air-tight DEL procedure which detects a held-down Shift key and then bypasses the Recycler... this CKS business makes you turn a lot of stones...

Posted: 02 Jun 2007 11:07
by CyGho
CyGho wrote:So, we can make keyboard shortcuts to folders? Cool...:)
CKS is there for some time now and it's great. But i really cannot find a way to make a KS to a favorite folder or a catalog item. Is it allready possible? If it isn't will it be possible someday?

All related to the wish here

Posted: 02 Jun 2007 11:55
by admin
CyGho wrote:If it isn't will it be possible someday?
6.2

Posted: 02 Jun 2007 12:02
by CyGho
Thanks Donald, looking forward to it :arrow: