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Posted: 08 Jun 2008 21:14
by j_c_hallgren
jacky, I would think that a script command that provides the needed params for the compare would handle that issue, right?
As the current file could be passed via variables via that command.
I really was thinking mainly of how best one could setup the params using a dialog panel for either newbies or the occasional use.
Posted: 08 Jun 2008 21:39
by jacky
j_c_hallgren wrote:jacky, I would think that a script command that provides the needed params for the compare would handle that issue, right?
Yes, if there's a script command one could do a script to accomplish this, of course!
Posted: 23 Jun 2008 11:55
by admin
The next BETA will have a simple Compare function for the basic needs.
Posted: 23 Jun 2008 23:17
by bergfex
admin wrote:The next BETA will have a simple Compare function for the basic needs.
Cool. For me that's sufficient 99% of the time.
Posted: 29 Jun 2008 04:55
by j_c_hallgren
When one attempts the current compare and things aren't set correctly, the following basic msg appears:
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In order to compare two files you need to do the following:
(1) Copy one file to the clipboard
(2) Select another file in the file list
I think the wording of "(1)" could be improved upon, as the file itself shouldn't be on clipboard, but rather the
name (and path?) of that file, right? As in "Copy Item Path/Name of first file to clipboard"...
Posted: 29 Jun 2008 08:04
by admin
j_c_hallgren wrote:When one attempts the current compare and things aren't set correctly, the following basic msg appears:
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In order to compare two files you need to do the following:
(1) Copy one file to the clipboard
(2) Select another file in the file list
I think the wording of "(1)" could be improved upon, as the file itself shouldn't be on clipboard, but rather the
name (and path?) of that file, right? As in "Copy Item Path/Name of first file to clipboard"...
No, it is correct like this. In the current version (but see below) it works only when you do a Ctrl+C copy, not a Ctrl+P copy. BTW, also Ctrl+C does not copy "the file itself" but just the name plus some other info.
In the next version, both will work: Ctrl+C (file) and Ctrl+P (file name).
Posted: 29 Jun 2008 08:26
by j_c_hallgren
admin wrote:j_c_hallgren wrote: Code: Select all
In order to compare two files you need to do the following:
(1) Copy one file to the clipboard
(2) Select another file in the file list
I think the wording of "(1)" could be improved upon, as the file itself shouldn't be on clipboard, but rather the
name (and path?) of that file, right? As in "Copy Item Path/Name of first file to clipboard"...
No, it is correct like this. In the current version (but see below) it works only when you do a Ctrl+C copy, not a Ctrl+P copy. BTW, also Ctrl+C does not copy "the file itself" but just the name plus some other info.
In the next version, both will work: Ctrl+C (file) and Ctrl+P (file name).
I think you somewhat missed my point..
In that "Copy one file to the clipboard" needs to say as minimum (IMHO) "Copy one file
name to the clipboard" (or similar) because the first way could be interpreted as copying the
contents of it, and not the name, ok? As in doing a Cntl+C while editing a file after selecting all...
And Cntl+C copies "Item Name" while Cntl+P copies "Item Path/name" so that what I was trying to get msg to more resemble.
Posted: 29 Jun 2008 08:40
by admin
j_c_hallgren wrote:admin wrote:j_c_hallgren wrote: Code: Select all
In order to compare two files you need to do the following:
(1) Copy one file to the clipboard
(2) Select another file in the file list
I think the wording of "(1)" could be improved upon, as the file itself shouldn't be on clipboard, but rather the
name (and path?) of that file, right? As in "Copy Item Path/Name of first file to clipboard"...
No, it is correct like this. In the current version (but see below) it works only when you do a Ctrl+C copy, not a Ctrl+P copy. BTW, also Ctrl+C does not copy "the file itself" but just the name plus some other info.
In the next version, both will work: Ctrl+C (file) and Ctrl+P (file name).
I think you somewhat missed my point..
In that "Copy one file to the clipboard" needs to say as minimum (IMHO) "Copy one file
name to the clipboard" (or similar) because the first way could be interpreted as copying the
contents of it, and not the name, ok? As in doing a Cntl+C while editing a file after selecting all...
And Cntl+C copies "Item Name" while Cntl+P copies "Item Path/name" so that what I was trying to get msg to more resemble.
Okay, but I think "Copy one file
name to the clipboard" is also confusing.
This could be a version that everybody understands right:
"Copy (Ctrl+C) one file to the clipboard"
Right?
Posted: 29 Jun 2008 09:03
by j_c_hallgren
admin wrote:Okay, but I think "Copy one file name to the clipboard" is also confusing.
This could be a version that everybody understands right:
"Copy (Ctrl+C) one file to the clipboard"
Right?
Sorry, but...nope...because it still doesn't distinguish between the name and contents, as both can be copied to clipboard via Cntl+C...some qualifier needs to be there to explicitly say which.
I'm only bringing this up because at the time I was just checking out the new options and menus, I happened to have the contents of a file on clipboard from another task.
And when I saw that msg, I said: Hummm, this could be confusing.
Posted: 29 Jun 2008 10:36
by PeterH
From the idea I'd say J_C is right - you don't copy the file - you prepare the copy by saving the file's name in the clipboard.
But I also think adding "CTRL-C" makes this clear...
Posted: 29 Jun 2008 11:49
by admin
j_c_hallgren wrote:admin wrote:Okay, but I think "Copy one file name to the clipboard" is also confusing.
This could be a version that everybody understands right:
"Copy (Ctrl+C) one file to the clipboard"
Right?
Sorry, but...nope...because it still doesn't distinguish between the name and contents, as both can be copied to clipboard via Cntl+C...some qualifier needs to be there to explicitly say which.
I'm only bringing this up because at the time I was just checking out the new options and menus, I happened to have the contents of a file on clipboard from another task.
And when I saw that msg, I said: Hummm, this could be confusing.
Okay, I agree it could be confusing. But "Copy one file
name to the clipboard" is confusing, too (at least it would confuse
me). We still need a better idea...
Posted: 29 Jun 2008 12:40
by Pagat
From my pont of view the current caption "Copy one file" is far less confusing than "Copy one file name". If i would read that second caption i would initialy think of Ctrl-P.
But why change the text if it works with both options (Ctrl-C / Ctrl-P) in one of the next versions anyway? I don't think there are much users who would open a file and copy the content of it... "Copy one file" isn't that confusing in my opinion...
Posted: 29 Jun 2008 13:47
by jacky
j_c_hallgren wrote:Sorry, but...nope...because it still doesn't distinguish between the name and contents, as both can be copied to clipboard via Cntl+C...some qualifier needs to be there to explicitly say which.
I'm only bringing this up because at the time I was just checking out the new options and menus, I happened to have the contents of a file on clipboard from another task.
And when I saw that msg, I said: Hummm, this could be confusing.
I don't get this confusion, because I find the current wording to be the standard and expected one from such a thing. I get that you got confused because of the situation you were in, but never mind that, there is no reason to assume this special situation you found yourself would be the common thing for other users.
This is a standard (Windows) behavior : copy a file to the clipboard means select it and do Edit|Copy (Ctrl+C), I don't see any reason to assume one would be confused by this.
In fact, because this is the standard, trying to add something or anything would
then be confusing, I feel. Whenever someone is asked to copy/paste a file, never does he thinks I have to put its actual content in the clipboard and then paste it, copying a file to the clipboard has a "standard" meaning, why try to get things more complicated/confusing ?
Posted: 29 Jun 2008 13:53
by jacky
Question: when more than one file are on the clipboard, wouldn't it be nice if XY would compare the current item with each of them ?
And/or, maybe it could compare with not the current item, but all selected items ?
Posted: 29 Jun 2008 14:08
by admin
jacky wrote:Question: when more than one file are on the clipboard, wouldn't it be nice if XY would compare the current item with each of them ?
And/or, maybe it could compare with not the current item, but all selected items ?
Yes, later...
The next upload will have this:
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* Menu Edit | Compare: Before, you'd have to send the reference item
via a real file copy (Ctrl+C) to the clipboard. Now, both will work:
Ctrl+C (file) and Ctrl+P (file name).
Note that when there is more than one file on the clipboard only the
first is used for the comparison. In case of a textual clipboard
content (Ctrl+P) the separator between the file names is expected
to be CRLF. XYplorer's Ctrl+P uses CRLF anyway, but if you use
other means to fill the clipboard and then want to use the
Compare command you should bear that in mind.