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that's what troubles me, that if "Explicit Save Only" is ticked(On), and it's global, and no way to change it with scripting flag #caommand, then how to save one paper folder if globally it's Off? Or if "Explicit Save Only" is not ticked(Off), globally all paper folders are saved, but in script [~paperfolder] is used = how can that be saved if needed?
i know, i asked for "no save" and now looks like ask for totally opposite, but i just want the feature to work both sides.

The thing is, if i understand everything right, with current global switch and no way to change it via scripting, plus explicit no-save folders by only ~paperfoldername criteria, it will kinda work but may create flaw situations in some scenarios.
As i understand, my "flag-wish situation" is kinda similar to this no status modification request = global behaviour that should be possible to revert/controll by scripting means.

My idea was to drop the new "Explicit Save Only" setting, AND avoid the need of adding a flag parameter to paperfolder(). All simply by adding some name rule ("no auto-save for PFs with a name like this"). Explicit saving will be no problem.

well i'm fine with ~name idea, but as i described above couple situations, how to save if this setting is global and either All PFs save(except ~named) or None is saved(even if name has no ~ at the start).
may it happen you mean some other commands usage in "special situations"?

Try v21.50.0134 ...

tried it. seems like .134 doesn't consider "Explicit Save Only" as [paperfolders] are never saved(as expected), but ordinary paperfolders do save no matter setting is On or Off(not expected).
if i may, i'd ask to fix it and keep both features, so there be at least some space for manoeuvrer, to have global control over save or not and exception case to have [paperfolders] that don't save for sure.

ahem, change log:

oh, i read that as "it Will be removed IF new thing will work better".. so, may you keep both, please?

I guess I don't understand your use case.

see ya tomorrow...

admin wrote: ↑08 Mar 2021 22:17 I guess I don't understand your use case.

basically i'd wish both mechanics to be present, so there be global choice for if to auto-save paperfolders or not(to work with them in either regime in daily work), and exception by [name] that is never auto-saved(to use in scripts for results, etc).
the things is, before your recent change, making paperfolders save only if really modified(no auto-save due to simply visiting its tab), i didn't want auto-save at all, but With that change, both variants(Autosave/No-autosave) are useful, and surely [name] exception would be fine addition.

OK, next beta...

suddenly so much more control, cool, thank you!

p.s.

Removed the "[*]" experiment from yesterday for now.

if one day that will return(as an addition), will be only better(too handy yet simple idea not to use it in some scenarios).

You know, with "[*]" there is a slight possibility of breaking old code (old Paper Folders). So, while I like "[*]", I'm careful for now. Maybe when more users grow to the idea of "throw-away Paper Folders", the time will come for "[*]".

I see, well maybe time will come.)
Yet i'd propose to you to describe this trick to use "throw-away Paper Folders"(or "Transient/Temporal Paper Folders") in close official releases, i think people will find it useful, just didn't think about it before.(or maybe they already use paperfolders in this role, but didn't think/care about HDD cycles, which only geeks appreciate ).

Just as an example how i'm gonna use it right away. I have a script that makes deleting safer: checks drive button to warn if it's removable drive, and checks all subs for items with tags/labels. With XY speed all this works quite fast, plus delete operations happen quite often, so not to mess with HDD i listed found tagged items in modal windows like Inputselect() etc. But now i can stop worrying about too often re-saving so use some "temporal" paperfolder.

little question: here's part from my script, paperfolder file already exists and "Explicit Save Only" ticked = am i using it wrong, 'cause it does save transferred data to paperfolder file, not just opens tab to forget on close? do i need to specify "oe1" in script even if it's ticked in r-button settings?.