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jacky wrote:Regarding the ideas of "special categories" for Catalog, it could be an interresting feature, also I'm not sure why the "recent" one would be that interresting, I mean wouldn't it be like some kind of History?

Yes, it would be a variant of History somewhat, I believe...but with the features of what one can do via a Catalog entry vs History entry...and one of my items was that it would take a user defined number of uses before it would be added to that "recent" group...

This would mean that while just one use would add it to History, it may take 5 uses to add it to "recent" if that was how user set it up...kinda like an auto-learning thing...and yes, user could add it manually and config it more, but this would be for things that are more transitory, such as folders one uses for a few days heavily and then are either unused or deleted, so just having it in catalog would allow some extra abilities.

This brings up an interesting side issue:
Is there any easy way to move an existing catalog entry from one group to another? Ok, so you can move up/down and thus eventually get it to desired group, but if one has 6 groups and entry is in 6th and should be in 1st, then it could be a pain...
By moving it, one can retain existing colors and desc, which would have to be re-entered if one adds it new again...

j_c_hallgren wrote:This brings up an interesting side issue:
Is there any easy way to move an existing catalog entry from one group to another? Ok, so you can move up/down and thus eventually get it to desired group, but if one has 6 groups and entry is in 6th and should be in 1st, then it could be a pain...

There's no other way at the time no, but some kind of "List Management" interface for Catalog has been mentioned a few times, and it might be a solution.

PS: As it grows and grows, I think the Catalog could use a hierarchical structure, having subcategories could help get stuff ordered better, trying to maximize the use of the Catalog's space.

Although for me, the ultimate best would still be to have a 2 columns Catalog!

An important part of Zen is self-discipline. The Catalog has been designed as a tool for the self-disciplined. I gave it only one level of hierarchy on purpose. There are no Catalog management features on purpose. I want to lead you to the holy grail of file managament: discipline. If your catalog starts to look like the tree and grows and grows you missed the point, resp. that's your call for a little excercise in self-control: reduce it! Try to have only 7 categories, each with 7 items. And you'll see your daily file work fly like a rocket!

Zen Master Don

admin wrote:There are no Catalog management features on purpose.

But is having the ability to export/import or similar to easily move an entry to another category without having to "move" it numerous times to get there really that much of a conflict with this? Or the ability to sort a group?

Even if one only had 7*7 entries, getting them in proper order could take quite a few moves...or to move an entry from 7th to 1st group...could take up to 48 "moves"...not ideal, true?

j_c_hallgren wrote:

admin wrote:There are no Catalog management features on purpose.

But is having the ability to export/import or similar to easily move an entry to another category without having to "move" it numerous times to get there really that much of a conflict with this? Or the ability to sort a group?

Even if one only had 7*7 entries, getting them in proper order could take quite a few moves...or to move an entry from 7th to 1st group...could take up to 48 "moves"...not ideal, true?

You know you can drag items to a new position? Even across categories...

admin wrote:An important part of Zen is self-discipline. The Catalog has been designed as a tool for the self-disciplined.

Ok, I can agree here. Although my 2-columns wish isn't much for organization like a tree-like Catalog, it's more of a space thing.

As you can imagine looking at my picture above, I now have a second column just unsed, that's wasted pixels all over. If I could have 2 columns, not only would the use of space be more efficient, but the use of the Catalog too as I would be able to have at the same time more location, or locations & Applications, VF, etc

admin wrote:You know you can drag items to a new position? Even across categories...

Considering that I only really drag stuff about twice a month it seems, as I'm more of a point-n-click'r or keyboard than drag, no, I didn't realize this...but for those who rely more on keyboard or menus, what about them? That's still a valid point, I think...

Is there a special reason for not having list management for catalog? I already see a lot in raw view, sad i cannot edit it. Is there a hidden way to edit it?

j_c_hallgren wrote:

admin wrote:You know you can drag items to a new position? Even across categories...

Considering that I only really drag stuff about twice a month it seems, as I'm more of a point-n-click'r or keyboard than drag, no, I didn't realize this...but for those who rely more on keyboard or menus, what about them? That's still a valid point, I think...

Focus Catalog, select whatever item you want to move, hold Ctrl and use Up/Down keys to move it around. Just like when dragging, it will go from one category to the other...

serendipity wrote:Is there a special reason for not having list management for catalog? I already see a lot in raw view, sad i cannot edit it. Is there a hidden way to edit it?

I think it's because Catalog is quite more complex; it's not just some kind of MRU, as all items have Caption, Destination, Open on click option, Colors....

Oh, that and the whole Zen self-discipline thinggy

jacky wrote:

serendipity wrote:Is there a special reason for not having list management for catalog? I already see a lot in raw view, sad i cannot edit it. Is there a hidden way to edit it?

I think it's because Catalog is quite more complex; it's not just some kind of MRU, as all items have Caption, Destination, Open on click option, Colors....

Indeed, and some more to come soon... (but not more than 7 )