XYplorer Beta Club

jacky wrote:I don't think Don has ever been dead set against anything, he always has reasons for his choices, even if he doesn't always have time to explain them all here, and he's always open to discussion & ready to be convienced otherwise.
This openminded state of mind is also part of what makes XY such a great product!

I don't know if Dual Pane will ever be added to XY, but either way he already has a long long list of stuff to do. Whatever it is, rest assured many great stuff will come to XY in 2007

All the above was from 2006

It's now 03 January 2009.

And still, after nearly three years, the easy, intuitive, absolutely obvious need to have the dual-pane-on-screen at once option completely goes over almost everyone's head.

Unbelievable. Absolutely Unbelievable.

Please don't even begin to say "no one wants it", or "no one has asked and shown concrete reasons WHY we need dual-panes option...".

A great many users, prospective users, and people that have totally passed this otherwise excellent product by (and that's sad!) have long ago given up!

What makes XYplorer great also makes it VERY hard to master, memorize, locate, use, learn, and far too many simple situations take far too long to think about and do.

And dual-pane is absolutely clearly not a situation where someone has to be "convinced"...there's a programmers / product owners mental block preventing this from being done, many years ago, in fact...(OR) there's a software programming reason why it can't be done.

Joe
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josephrot wrote:And dual-pane is absolutely clearly not a situation where someone has to be "convinced"...there's a programmers / product owners mental block preventing this from being done, many years ago, in fact...(OR) there's a software programming reason why it can't be done.

I was just asking you for your perspective on it -- I'm in the phase of HOW to do it, not IF to do it at all. And since DP is not part of my own workflow (and hence it will be the first major feature I add that I lack a certain deep understanding for, think "body knowledge") I need as many use cases and user perspectives as possible to make it right.

At the same time, I have to integrate it to XY in a smooth way. It should not just be XY+DP.

I'm actually working on DP for about 2 months now every day. You don't see it yet on the surface but it's already there and it's growing...

PS: Don't worry about the programming -- it's the easiest thing to duplicate an element. Just like XY has more than one checkbox it can have more than one file list. Come on, nobody can believe that DP is difficult to do.

josephrot wrote:What makes XYplorer great also makes it VERY hard to master, memorize, locate, use, learn, and far too many simple situations take far too long to think about and do.

The bulk of my reply is in the other thread where you posted the exact same thing, so duplication like this isn't really needed, ok?

However, here I'll address the above stmt of yours: The "simple situations" do not and never will require dual pane, IMO. Its greatest use is in those rare cases when having it makes it possible to do the task more efficiently...XY is, IMO, much easier to learn, use and master than the best known competitor, and that has nothing to do with DP or the lack of it.

And dual-pane is absolutely clearly not a situation where someone has to be "convinced"...there's a programmers / product owners mental block preventing this from being done, many years ago, in fact...(OR) there's a software programming reason why it can't be done.

Yes...it was a situation wher Don had to be "convinced", because with all the work he does, he didn't find it to be needed, as he was able to accomplish the same tasks in just as speedy a manner without it...now for the rest of us, that may not be the case, so that's why it was important to get him to see the alternate viewpoint...kind of like convincing a Democrat to turn Republican, or vice-versa...it takes time...and berating the person doesn't help, it just makes them less willing to change, ok?

I see that Don has already replied, but given the amount of time I spent typing this, I'm going to post it anyway as it gives another POV.

j_c_hallgren wrote:XY is, IMO, much easier to learn, use and master than the best known competitor, and that has nothing to do with DP or the lack of it.

Agreed. I find XY much more intuitive than, say, DOpus.

admin wrote:At the same time, I have to integrate it to XY in a smooth way. It should not just be XY+DP.

Again I agree - XY's UI is much more polished than most other managers' and I'd hate to for it to lose its look and feel just to add DP. However, I *very* much would like to get DP in XY.

-Jeff