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Re: TAFKAX

Posted: 01 Dec 2012 18:50
by Borut
admin wrote:So, what's your opinion now on "FlexyFiles"???
Blah, pfui. :naughty:

So, the two IT people communicate:
- Are you using #&@plorer?
- What did you say? Em, I am using %@#plorer, actually - it is great!
- Ah, yes, so we both do use the same one! Let's go to XYplorer.com to download today's version! :P

I am not getting it - what is the problem if it is being pronounced weirdly/wrongly/not-as-it-is-supposed-to be in each language? I would never change it in this phase, if it were my product.

Re: TAFKAX

Posted: 01 Dec 2012 19:14
by grindax
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Re: TAFKAX

Posted: 01 Dec 2012 20:33
by Filehero
Don,

I do heavily agree with Borut and grindax!

XYplorer is the established brand all review sites are referring to (btw, that's the way I did find it). Just because there might be some confusion about the right pronunciation?

I think XY already is in a pretty good neighborhood: VW, BMW, HP, Milka :mrgreen:


Cheers,
Filehero

Re: TAFKAX

Posted: 01 Dec 2012 22:22
by admin
Filehero wrote:I think XY already is in a pretty good neighborhood: VW, BMW, HP, Milka :mrgreen:
In the neighborhood of bad product names? Great. Come on, get creative, I'm ready for something new...

Re: TAFKAX

Posted: 01 Dec 2012 22:34
by Borut
admin wrote:I'm ready for something new...
Programming some new feature? Great! :roll:

Changing the name of a winning product? Hey, Don, what grass are you on today? :whistle:

Re: TAFKAX

Posted: 02 Dec 2012 00:29
by PeterH
...me too:

- XYplorer is known to many, and has an image
- dependencies, e.g. extension of script names: name.xys (I also said this years ago...)

So I'm sceptical that a change of name really makes sense.

Re: TAFKAX

Posted: 02 Dec 2012 23:30
by FeatureCreep
You can choose a 'meaningless' name like Firefox or Google. But, people will seek meaning in a name whether you want them to or not. Google kind of reminds me of goggle or ogle, words associated with looking and searching. The latter is kind of appropriate, considering the amount of porn on the web. A really successful brand name will enter the dictionary. People talk about "googling" each other, but nobody would say "I xyplored you". But conversations would be more interesting if Page and Brin had kept the original name for their search engine "BackRub". :wink:

"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet." Not if it were called a "cankerwort" or "buttfuttock". But then those words would eventually become 'sweet-smelling', so that your sweetheart would be flattered if you called her a "cankerwort". Names matter.

People do judge books by their covers. That's why book covers have pictures and are all different. Total Commander sounds like it was coded by an adolescent in his Mum's basement, who'd rather be playing Command & Conquer or Counter-Strike, or chasing down monsters in labyrinths, playing Doom or Diablo or, indeed Total Annihilation, whose central character is called a Commander. [Note: I had to do extensive research to discover the names of these games. I would never waste my time on any of them. :roll: ]

Make the name too long and people will abbreviate it anyway. Directory Opus is inevitably referred to as Dopus, which sounds like a word for a stupid person (i.e. a blend of dope and doofus). And as for XYplorer ...eh, let's not go there. :roll:

I'm guessing the name issue has resurfaced because XY has just become multilingual and whole new markets have opened up, full of people who have never heard of it.

I'm going to suggest a slightly enigmatic name, somewhat less testosterone charged than "Total Commander". Some might regard a name that requires an explanation as a bad thing but not if it gives the software reviewers something interesting to include in their posts. It might prompt them to revisit XYplorer, where a change of name alone was not enough.

--------------------------------------

Looking for the best file manager? Here's a clue.

ARIANNE

Why 'Arianne'?

Arianne was the woman who gave Theseus a ball of thread to help him navigate the labyrinth in the famous Greek myth of the Minotaur. The story is the origin of the word "clue", something that helps you find what you're looking for. A ball of thread used to be called a "clew".

Suggested promotional text:

Arianne is a professional file manager that helps you navigate manifold file structures and find what your looking for.

It has a very powerful search engine with many different search criteria options.

Mark your files and folders with a range of tagging and highlighting options so that you can easily find your way back to them.

Etc.

Suggested promotional image:

Attractive, smiling, vaguely Greek looking, woman facing the reader and holding out a ball. The ball could be plain or a globe (i.e. the earth) or have multiple images on it suggestive of a large network of information (e.g. like the Wikipedia ball).

-------------------------------------

Incidentally, the Theseus and Arianne story was very possibly the origin of Hansel and Gretel, with breadcrumbs replacing the thread. And thread is, of course, the underlying metaphor of computer terms like network and web.

As for using a girl's name for software, people seem to prefer anthropomorphized software to be female.
http://www.cnn.co.uk/2011/10/21/tech/in ... index.html

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The small print. There's always a catch. :(

Ariadne is the usual form in English. Ariadne.com was registered to Ariadne Internet Services, Inc., but the site appears to be down and the address expires on 02-Nov-2013. Ariadne.co is still available.

But I think the French Ariane sounds better. This is also the name of the European space rocket -a high tech association that is probably positive. But Ariane.com is taken.

Arianna is, I think, the Italian and transliterated Greek version. Again not as good, but using it would help you get a mention at the Huffington Post

Arianne is a much less common spelling, but looks better in English (i.e. its spelling is closer to how it is actually pronounced -these things can be a bit fuzzy in English). It is also further removed from 'aryan' -a word with unfortunate connotations.

Arianne.com is still available,

But "Arianne" is also is "a multiplayer online games framework and engine" on Sourceforge. http://arianne.sourceforge.net/

I don't know if that's a dealbreaker. The Sourceforge project is non-commercial and a very different type of software. You could always talk to them.

Or you could name the software Arianne-XY, Ariane-XY or Ariadne-XY (with matching web address) where the "XY" provides some continuity or acknowledges it as a new incarnation of XYplorer. This would also provide a reference for all the XYs left over in the documentation e.g. XYcopy, the XYS script format, etc.

Re: TAFKAX

Posted: 03 Dec 2012 05:23
by SkyFrontier
+1 for Arianne.
>there's no other app called with a female name yet, there is...?

BUT, here goes a little list... (with the little note that I think using 'FM' as in 'file manager' would be useful, like in 'evoFM' or 'neXT FM' and so on):

evo

eon

zax

flex

jumbo

brute

sharp

neXT

XYZ

Re: TAFKAX

Posted: 03 Dec 2012 06:40
by serendipity
As far as i remember there should be xy in the name somewhere to make it easier to keep .xys for scripts and make things easier in general. I guess thats why Don himself came up with Flexyfiles which he has already registered: www.flexyfiles.com
Having studied chemistry can't help but think of OXYplorer, :lol:

btw, found interesting site that gives dictionary words if you feed in letters and patterns to include in the word:
http://www.a2zwordfinder.com/wordlists.html

Re: TAFKAX

Posted: 03 Dec 2012 07:36
by Stefan
If it really has to be a name change, i would just prefix the old one with 'Fle'





 

Re: TAFKAX

Posted: 03 Dec 2012 11:10
by admin
FeatureCreep wrote:You can choose a 'meaningless' name like Firefox or Google. But, people will seek meaning in a name whether you want them to or not. Google kind of reminds me of goggle or ogle, words associated with looking and searching. The latter is kind of appropriate, considering the amount of porn on the web. A really successful brand name will enter the dictionary. People talk about "googling" each other, but nobody would say "I xyplored you". But conversations would be more interesting if Page and Brin had kept the original name for their search engine "BackRub". :wink:

"A rose by any other name would smell as sweet." Not if it were called a "cankerwort" or "buttfuttock". But then those words would eventually become 'sweet-smelling', so that your sweetheart would be flattered if you called her a "cankerwort". Names matter.

People do judge books by their covers. That's why book covers have pictures and are all different. Total Commander sounds like it was coded by an adolescent in his Mum's basement, who'd rather be playing Command & Conquer or Counter-Strike, or chasing down monsters in labyrinths, playing Doom or Diablo or, indeed Total Annihilation, whose central character is called a Commander. [Note: I had to do extensive research to discover the names of these games. I would never waste my time on any of them. :roll: ]

Make the name too long and people will abbreviate it anyway. Directory Opus is inevitably referred to as Dopus, which sounds like a word for a stupid person (i.e. a blend of dope and doofus). And as for XYplorer ...eh, let's not go there. :roll:

I'm guessing the name issue has resurfaced because XY has just become multilingual and whole new markets have opened up, full of people who have never heard of it.

I'm going to suggest a slightly enigmatic name, somewhat less testosterone charged than "Total Commander". Some might regard a name that requires an explanation as a bad thing but not if it gives the software reviewers something interesting to include in their posts. It might prompt them to revisit XYplorer, where a change of name alone was not enough.

--------------------------------------

Looking for the best file manager? Here's a clue.

ARIANNE

Why 'Arianne'?

Arianne was the woman who gave Theseus a ball of thread to help him navigate the labyrinth in the famous Greek myth of the Minotaur. The story is the origin of the word "clue", something that helps you find what you're looking for. A ball of thread used to be called a "clew".

Suggested promotional text:

Arianne is a professional file manager that helps you navigate manifold file structures and find what your looking for.

It has a very powerful search engine with many different search criteria options.

Mark your files and folders with a range of tagging and highlighting options so that you can easily find your way back to them.

Etc.

Suggested promotional image:

Attractive, smiling, vaguely Greek looking, woman facing the reader and holding out a ball. The ball could be plain or a globe (i.e. the earth) or have multiple images on it suggestive of a large network of information (e.g. like the Wikipedia ball).

-------------------------------------

Incidentally, the Theseus and Arianne story was very possibly the origin of Hansel and Gretel, with breadcrumbs replacing the thread. And thread is, of course, the underlying metaphor of computer terms like network and web.

As for using a girl's name for software, people seem to prefer anthropomorphized software to be female.
http://www.cnn.co.uk/2011/10/21/tech/in ... index.html

--------------------------------------
The small print. There's always a catch. :(

Ariadne is the usual form in English. Ariadne.com was registered to Ariadne Internet Services, Inc., but the site appears to be down and the address expires on 02-Nov-2013. Ariadne.co is still available.

But I think the French Ariane sounds better. This is also the name of the European space rocket -a high tech association that is probably positive. But Ariane.com is taken.

Arianna is, I think, the Italian and transliterated Greek version. Again not as good, but using it would help you get a mention at the Huffington Post

Arianne is a much less common spelling, but looks better in English (i.e. its spelling is closer to how it is actually pronounced -these things can be a bit fuzzy in English). It is also further removed from 'aryan' -a word with unfortunate connotations.

Arianne.com is still available,

But "Arianne" is also is "a multiplayer online games framework and engine" on Sourceforge. http://arianne.sourceforge.net/

I don't know if that's a dealbreaker. The Sourceforge project is non-commercial and a very different type of software. You could always talk to them.

Or you could name the software Arianne-XY, Ariane-XY or Ariadne-XY (with matching web address) where the "XY" provides some continuity or acknowledges it as a new incarnation of XYplorer. This would also provide a reference for all the XYs left over in the documentation e.g. XYcopy, the XYS script format, etc.
Yeah, I like almost everything here. Bravo! :appl: (I did not get the Huffington Post remark, though.) Female name -- great. Arianne is almost perfect in every regard. BUT: (1) I would find Ariadne much better. (It's also the German form of the name). To me Arianne clearly says: "Ariadne was not free anymore". (2) There is Sourceforge and some other companies using it. I have no time or resources for any sort of legal trouble. (3) The name calls for an explanation a bit too much. The immediate response to mentioning this name is very likely "Huh, why?". (4) Spelling is problematic, one always needs to say "Arianne with double-n" and will often end up spelling it. (5) No "XY" in it. That's not a deal breaker but would be nice to have.

Re: TAFKAX

Posted: 03 Dec 2012 16:30
by serendipity
Stefan wrote:If it really has to be a name change, i would just prefix the old one with 'Fle'
 
Yup, nice.

Re: TAFKAX

Posted: 03 Dec 2012 16:52
by Borut
Yes, FleXYplorer seems acceptable (if I may put it that way) and with a nice Latin root flex, probably known in many languages and nicely pronounced as in "flexibility". .xys can remain too. Even a domain might be free, as of now.

And it can even be shortnamed: Flexy :)

Re: TAFKAX

Posted: 03 Dec 2012 19:46
by eil
i like FleXYplorer variant, with short Flexy as kinda nickname. :) though woman name could be good too, as most of competitors are male.

Re: TAFKAX

Posted: 03 Dec 2012 19:54
by neminem
I agree with everyone so far, too - "FleXYplorer" seems to me to be a much better than either "XYPlorer" (which I pronounce as ex-why-plorer; neither rolls of the tongue that well, nor seems definitively the correct way to pronounce it), or "Plexyfiles" (sounds kinda kiddy, plus to me says "this is discussing a kind of file format", not "this is a program"). I do like the name Arianne for something, but it certainly doesn't call to my mind a file manager.

Plus, renaming to a whole new name would confuse everyone. Renaming to a name that mostly looks the same as the current one, would be way less confusing. :D

p.s. "Flexy" could totally be a woman's name :p. (A moderately silly one, but I know "Lexy"s, so why not a "Flexy"?)