Move Files (keyboard)

[bf]

Hi,

I did find XYplorer today and I'm impressed from the features. But what I'm missing is a better support for moving files around with the keyboard shortcuts.

In an old version of Powerdesk this was straightforward: Selecting the file(s), pressing F7 and a windows with destinations popped up with last directory moved to selected. Very easy. And very easy to change the target folder.

As I often shuffle around files it would be nice to do so in a similar way in XYplorer. Would it be possible to customize the keyboard shortcuts?

Now, I have to go via File > Move/Copy... > Move To > Select ...

(And when "Find Files" or "Report" ist selected in the lower pane ALT-F doesn't pop up the file menue at all ...)

A long way to go and the Browse Dialog ervery time starts with "My Computer" so I have to drill down the file menue.

I know that there is a list of last selected folders but I find the Powerdesk approach much more elegant.

So, why I don't stick with Powerdesk? I think XYplorer has much more to offer. It's just this little bit of tweaking what I'm missing

[admin]

Yes, better keyboard support for file-to... operations is necessary! Will be next after the catalog is done.

Selecting the file(s), pressing F7 and a windows with destinations popped up with last directory moved to selected. Very easy.
And very easy to change the target folder.

Sounds like a good approach.

EDIT: I don't know the powerdesk dialog (uninstalled it in the last millenium), but my vision of that window is like this:
- a list of previous file-to destinations
- the last used destination is pre-selected
- ok button
- cancel button
- browse... button
- and I'm even inclined to give the top hot key F7 to it!
or maybe better:
Ctrl+F7 => copy to...
Shift+F7 => move to...

Okay? I'm open for some multi-braining...

[allen]

Hate to ressurect such an old topic, but as user migrating from another explorer replacement there's a handy little featurette I really miss.

As one largely loathe to use the mouse more than necessary, I'd like to be able to more easily move/copy files from one tab to another. What I'm accustomed to is the move/copy dialog having not only the option to chose a location to copy to, but the option to instead chose a -tab- to move the files to. If there are several tabs open, I can simply select one of them as the destination rather than having to locate the folder again.

Perhaps this is already possible and I just have found it yet, if not it might be worth considering implementing. It's definitely a handy, natural addition to a tabular interface.

[admin]

Hate to ressurect such an old topic, but as user migrating from another explorer replacement there's a handy little featurette I really miss.

As one largely loathe to use the mouse more than necessary, I'd like to be able to more easily move/copy files from one tab to another. What I'm accustomed to is the move/copy dialog having not only the option to chose a location to copy to, but the option to instead chose a -tab- to move the files to. If there are several tabs open, I can simply select one of them as the destination rather than having to locate the folder again.

Perhaps this is already possible and I just have found it yet, if not it might be worth considering implementing. It's definitely a handy, natural addition to a tabular interface.

You have a submenu for the tabs already in the MoveTo... menu, but since you are a keyboard man... others have already asked to add more choices to the dialogs... I probably have to add a little tab interface to them... (Last used | Tabs | Favorites).
How is it done in that "another explorer replacement" ?

[jacky]

Hate to ressurect such an old topic, but as user migrating from another explorer replacement there's a handy little featurette I really miss.

As one largely loathe to use the mouse more than necessary, I'd like to be able to more easily move/copy files from one tab to another. What I'm accustomed to is the move/copy dialog having not only the option to chose a location to copy to, but the option to instead chose a -tab- to move the files to. If there are several tabs open, I can simply select one of them as the destination rather than having to locate the folder again.

Perhaps this is already possible and I just have found it yet, if not it might be worth considering implementing. It's definitely a handy, natural addition to a tabular interface.

Well, this was/is possible through menus Move/Copy/Backup To, but for some reason Don didn't put them in the windows aswell

If it had been done, you'd have a choice between the MRU, your Fav Folders and the currently openned Tabs. And when using Fav Folders they wouldn't populate your MRU, which is a nice thing too

EDIT:

others have already asked to add more choices to the dialogs... I probably have to add a little tab interface to them... (Last used | Tabs | Favorites).

[allen]

You have a submenu for the tabs already in the MoveTo... menu, but since you are a keyboard man... others have already asked to add more choices to the dialogs... I probably have to add a little tab interface to them... (Last used | Tabs | Favorites).
How is it done in that "another explorer replacement" ?

In this "other explorer replacement", there are radio buttons to select whether you would like to move to the opposite pane (dual pane), a specified location (like the folder select in XYplorer), or tab. If the 'tab' radio option is selected, a drop down list of open tabs is displayed.

Also worth mentioning, within the dialog there's a place to input a filter (to allow for copying/moving only certain files within the selection) and space to specify such options as silencing overwrite confirmations, error logging and such. I've never actually used either of these, as I tend to filter things before taking any action -- I like to see what I'm doing before I do it.

Whatever the case, the move/copy dialog is a fair sized popup -- there are all sorts of ways to utilize the extra space to great effect and it seems most, if not all of which, could take advantage of things already implemented anyway.

Well, this was/is possible through menus Move/Copy/Backup To, but for some reason Don didn't put them in the windows aswell

I'd overlooked the right click context menu -- I can certainly use that, shift+F10 is always a viable option. Like Jacky, though, I wouldn't mind (rather, I'd love) seeing the move/copy tab drop downs available in the edit menu -- perhaps an "advanced" menu item beneath the 1 click move/copy options that open the to tab, favorites, etc. options if you didn't want to clutter the edit menu with 3 more items.

[admin]

Ok, after a weekend's meditation in the woods, I came to the conclusion to take a flat approach to this. I will not include it in the existing "Move To..." etc dialogs and thereby clutter a very elegant design and force another decision step onto the user. Instead I will add two additional dialogs "To Favorites..." and "To Tabs..." (under menu Edit below the "Move To..." etc.) which will each have three buttons "Copy", "Move", and "Backup".
They will get keyboard shortcuts, too, of course. I think I will steal them from "Toggle Highlighted Folder" and "Toggle Boxed Branch" which do not deserve keyboard shortcuts with such gravitas... I'll talk it over with them later...

[allen]

I can see the logic behind your conclusion -- and the solution sounds perfectly satisfactory to me. Furthermore, simple menu items menu items with associated keyboard shortcuts would be quicker when using the keyboard than navigating the dialog with my keyboard anyway.

So, I'm tickled pink with the proposal. :)

[admin]

I can see the logic behind your conclusion -- and the solution sounds perfectly satisfactory to me. Furthermore, simple menu items menu items with associated keyboard shortcuts would be quicker when using the keyboard than navigating the dialog with my keyboard anyway.

So, I'm tickled pink with the proposal.

Still tickled? Too many shitty little things distracted me from the nice stuff recently. I'm still very willing to add "To Favorites..." and "To Tabs...". Only, since we have all those nice additions to the location syntax (Quick Names Searches and Visual Filters and Environment Variabes) -- which all can work as Favorites, too (you have to add them via List Management) -- well, since then: Favorites do not necessarily qualify as target destinations anymore. Only good old paths do. So, when I add a new dialog called "To Favorites..." and then most of the items in the list do not qualify as targets... hmmm ...

[jacky]

So, when I add a new dialog called "To Favorites..." and then most of the items in the list do not qualify as targets... hmmm ...

I still beleive Favorites should be there. You know, they ARE in the Move/Copy/Backup To menus after all (and do not even think about removing them! ), plus yes LM allows one to do w/e he wants, to usually Fav Folders are added from Tree, using the menus, so they usually are legit destinations.

Yes one could add some non-destination item, but LM allows us to set "wrong" stuff everywhere, in Fav Folders/Files, History, Goto, etc And there's nothing against one adding crappy stuff as Catalog item's destination.

I really don't think that should refrain you from adding Fav Folders there, starting with the simple fact that, in theory, they are only meant to be items from the Tree and as such real destinations. (unlike Catalog items, for example, which are meant to be way more than that)
Yes, LM allows us to do otherwise. But I could edit the INI file and do crap unplanned too, doesn't mean it should be taken into consideration...

[allen]

Still tickled? Too many shitty little things distracted me from the nice stuff recently.

Still tickled, I'm nothing if not patient -- the shitty little things must be dealth with, after all :)

[admin]

So, when I add a new dialog called "To Favorites..." and then most of the items in the list do not qualify as targets... hmmm ...

I still beleive Favorites should be there. You know, they ARE in the Move/Copy/Backup To menus after all (and do not even think about removing them! ), plus yes LM allows one to do w/e he wants, to usually Fav Folders are added from Tree, using the menus, so they usually are legit destinations.

Yes one could add some non-destination item, but LM allows us to set "wrong" stuff everywhere, in Fav Folders/Files, History, Goto, etc And there's nothing against one adding crappy stuff as Catalog item's destination.

I really don't think that should refrain you from adding Fav Folders there, starting with the simple fact that, in theory, they are only meant to be items from the Tree and as such real destinations. (unlike Catalog items, for example, which are meant to be way more than that)
Yes, LM allows us to do otherwise. But I could edit the INI file and do crap unplanned too, doesn't mean it should be taken into consideration...

Okidoki -- fully acknowledged.

[aimy]

can i made a custom button to directly choose to which tabs i want to move/copy the selected files without having to go through the Move_to|tabs option?

i want a button to let me choose to which tabs only. can i?

Thank you.