INI-option for "-" instead of [Empty] in folder Size column

[medder]

In older versions there was "-" symbol shown in Size column if the folder was Empty.
That was very comfortable because you could visually find empty folders in a moment.

Now XYplorer shows "0" for folders with empty files/subfolders and "[Empty]" for empty folders.

Yes, it is logical.

And I understand why some users where confused with "-" and "0".

* List: When showing folder sizes, empty folders now display the label "[Empty]" in the Size column. Before they displayed "-" which lead to confusion among various users.

BUT the "-" symbol in size column was comfortable for some other users like me

The construction "[Empty]" has the same width as other size-values.

For example:

1) Old behavior:

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Folder 1           1,45 GB
Folder 2          31,11 MB
Folder 3                 -
Folder 4           7,07 GB
Folder 5          77,84 KB
Folder 6                 -
Folder 7           2,45 GB

2) Current behavior:

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Folder 1           1,45 GB
Folder 2          31,11 MB
Folder 3           [Empty]
Folder 4           7,07 GB
Folder 5          77,84 KB
Folder 6           [Empty]
Folder 7           2,45 GB

In first (old) case you can quickly find empty folders (3, 6) in one look.
In second (new) case you should read through the whole list of folders, and waste more time.

And what if there are hundreds of folders?

So my preposition is to add and INI-setting so that users can chose between NEW default behaviour and OLD (confusing but comfortable).

[j_c_hallgren]

So my preposition is to add and INI-setting so that users can chose between NEW default behaviour and OLD (confusing but comfortable).

I can see your point here because while [Empty] is unique and does somewhat stand out, it's not quite as easy to see/spot quickly as the gaps/holes that using "-" creates in the column...and what may be good for a nbr of users may not be as good for those used to the current style.

[admin]

OK, added a tweak.

[lukescammell]

Taking this further... any chance of improving the [Access Denied] message on folders. It's a lot less useful than the old way of doing things.

Before:


Now:


Perhaps something combining the two approaches would work best? Something like:

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>= 1,916,023 KB        Program Files            
>=10,847,038 KB        Program Files (x86)      
>= 1,500,301 KB        ProgramData              
[Access Denied]        System Volume Information

System Volume Information and MSOCache are actually the only directories out of those that I really, truly had denied access to... everything else I had access to and could see most, if not all of the files in the directory.

And another thing! Why is it that I get prompted to elevate permissions by WE when I try to access MSOcache, but XY just does nothing and says "access denied"? WE gives me this dialogue box, which allows me to view the directory.


P.S. what is the tweak to re-enable the "-" marker for empty directories?

[medder]

OK, added a tweak.

Thanks. The tweak works perfectly.

[admin]

P.S. what is the tweak to re-enable the "-" marker for empty directories?

FolderEmpty="-"

The other stuff tomorrow...

[admin]

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>= 1,916,023 KB        Program Files            
>=10,847,038 KB        Program Files (x86)      
>= 1,500,301 KB        ProgramData              
[Access Denied]        System Volume Information

System Volume Information and MSOCache are actually the only directories out of those that I really, truly had denied access to... everything else I had access to and could see most, if not all of the files in the directory.

And another thing! Why is it that I get prompted to elevate permissions by WE when I try to access MSOcache, but XY just does nothing and says "access denied"? WE gives me this dialogue box, which allows me to view the directory.


P.S. what is the tweak to re-enable the "-" marker for empty directories?

>= 1,916,023 KB is a good idea, but technically not possible at the moment (or with huge rewrites, or with performance loss).

So I changed it so that "access denied" is only shown when no bytes or counts were returned at all in a folder.

I have no idea why MSOcache behaves differently in XY. I don't have this folder to test. It's certainly strange that such a difference exists. Maybe an MS internal special trick?

[lukescammell]

Eh... remind me again where I put tweaks please - it's been such a long time since I've needed to...

With 9.11.0012 I'm still getting the full [Access Denied] on all the folders I was previously (see images above).

Also, I'll see if I can get all the ownership details/permissions for the MSO folder and try and replicate it myself with another test folder. If I can, I'll pass those details on to you for testing.

BTW, do you have a test VM for Vista? If not, might be worth picking it up from the Microsoft download site...

[admin]

Eh... remind me again where I put tweaks please - it's been such a long time since I've needed to...

With 9.11.0012 I'm still getting the full [Access Denied] on all the folders I was previously (see images above).

Also, I'll see if I can get all the ownership details/permissions for the MSO folder and try and replicate it myself with another test folder. If I can, I'll pass those details on to you for testing.

BTW, do you have a test VM for Vista? If not, might be worth picking it up from the Microsoft download site...

tweak: in INI file

You mean 9.11.0013? Works fine here...

[admin]

Eh... remind me again where I put tweaks please - it's been such a long time since I've needed to...

With 9.11.0012 I'm still getting the full [Access Denied] on all the folders I was previously (see images above).

Also, I'll see if I can get all the ownership details/permissions for the MSO folder and try and replicate it myself with another test folder. If I can, I'll pass those details on to you for testing.

BTW, do you have a test VM for Vista? If not, might be worth picking it up from the Microsoft download site...

tweak: in INI file

You mean 9.11.0013? Works fine here...

So, does it work now with 9.11.0013?

[Muroph]

a minor bug, not worth a new topic:

up to v9.11.0005, when you selected some folders and clicked "calculate folder sizes" the status bar would automatically update to show the total calculated size of the selected items.
but since v0007 you have to manually force the status bar to update (e.g. by changing the selection) to see the total.

[admin]

a minor bug, not worth a new topic:

up to v9.11.0005, when you selected some folders and clicked "calculate folder sizes" the status bar would automatically update to show the total calculated size of the selected items.
but since v0007 you have to manually force the status bar to update (e.g. by changing the selection) to see the total.

Confirmed, fixed, thanks!

[lukescammell]

So, does it work now with 9.11.0013?

Well I've put the weak in my ini file and it keeps getting removed :/

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FolderEmpty="-"

I've made sure to put it in when XY is not running, but it still just removes it from the file on exiting XY.
Obviously I've missed something obvious...

[admin]

So, does it work now with 9.11.0013?

Well I've put the weak in my ini file and it keeps getting removed :/

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FolderEmpty="-"

I've made sure to put it in when XY is not running, but it still just removes it from the file on exiting XY.
Obviously I've missed something obvious...

Are you using a pre-9.11.0012 version?