Strange (not responding) at start takes above 10 min

[gruber]

After switching to new version 28.30.3000 the program starts but window doesn't appear so quickly and also after it appears, it takes more time (> 10 min) to make it responsive.
It's some different from previous versions

Seriously the program need to show all processing status (not showing just not responding), in order to not be taught as a malware.

What the app does on start up, if it shows status (not responding)? No control is available yet at this time.
If the program does have operation status window so at start is also invisible.

[RalphM]

No difference in load times here but on Win11.

If you paste

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text get("LoadTimes");

in the address bar and hit Enter you should see what is causing the long wait.

[gruber]

Loaded: 2026-09-21 06:04:32 in 165,741 ms
Threshold: 10 ms (shorter tasks are skipped below)

0 ms: 256 ms - Start Load
256 ms: 14 ms - Init Language
273 ms: 134 ms - Load Language
407 ms: 106 ms - Load Settings
513 ms: 27 ms - Init Custom File Icons
544 ms: 24 ms - Init Controls
568 ms: 176 ms - Init Graphics
744 ms: 16 ms - Init Tabs
760 ms: 52 ms - Create Info Panel
812 ms: 102 ms - Set Interface Font
914 ms: 34 ms - Init Panes
952 ms: 24 ms - Init Tree
994 ms: 22 ms - Init Tags
1,016 ms: 5,986 ms - Tab Icons
7,003 ms: 11,911 ms - Load Maxi Tree
18,914 ms: 26 ms - Go Start Path Expanded: Downloads\movies\
18,940 ms: 518 ms - Load Menu Controls
19,458 ms: 91 ms - Init Custom Toolbar Buttons
19,551 ms: 144 ms - Init KS Functions
19,695 ms: 17 ms - Init KS Read
19,720 ms: 36 ms - List 1 Browse: C:\Downloads\movies\
19,759 ms: 20 ms - List 2 Browse: L:\E\Pictures
19,785 ms: 44 ms - Layout List
19,829 ms: 22 ms - Layout Status Bar
19,851 ms: 62 ms - --- Show Window ---
19,913 ms: 261 ms - Update Tags in UI Menu
20,174 ms: 86 ms - Init Menus
20,262 ms: 17 ms - Tabsets
20,279 ms: 246 ms - XYcopy Init
20,525 ms: 145,216 ms - Tree Check Subfolders Exist Late
165,741 ms: - Load Done

MaxiTree: Rows=6215, Nodes=6217, Expanded=308
Tree Remember State: Yes (242 stored paths)
Tree Check Subfolders Exist: Yes
Network on Startup: Browse=Yes, Reconnect=No, CacheServers=No, CheckForUpdates=No
Pane 1: Items=10/10, Pane 2: Items=4/415, Catalog: Items=1
Tagged Items in Database: 0

[admin]

1) From which version did you switch?

2) Your tree has 6217 nodes. Are all these nodes needed for your tasks? Otherwise I would think about using the Mini Tree.

[RalphM]

Hi Don did you see the line with:

20,525 ms: 145,216 ms - Tree Check Subfolders Exist Late

[admin]

Yes, I think that's related to the 6217 nodes. 10 minutes is extreme, of course, so probably one of these nodes has a problem (network?).

[gruber]

What is nodes, mini tree, maxi tree; how those are related to panes - files/folders view?

In my options I've checked:

Expand tree nodes on drag-over
Check existence of subfolders in tree
In network locations as well (not checked up)

Now I've turned 2 settings off

Does it will change load time significantly?


After this text get("load Times");

Loaded: 2026-09-21 11:51:33 in 15,127 ms
Threshold: 10 ms (shorter tasks are skipped below)

0 ms: 279 ms - Start Load
279 ms: 14 ms - Init Language
297 ms: 121 ms - Load Language
418 ms: 87 ms - Load Settings
505 ms: 34 ms - Init Custom File Icons
541 ms: 28 ms - Init Controls
569 ms: 186 ms - Init Graphics
755 ms: 22 ms - Init Tabs
777 ms: 70 ms - Create Info Panel
847 ms: 107 ms - Set Interface Font
954 ms: 29 ms - Init Panes
986 ms: 27 ms - Init Tree
1,037 ms: 29 ms - Init Tags
1,070 ms: 12,679 ms - Load Maxi Tree
13,749 ms: 25 ms - Go Start Path Expanded: Downloads\movies\
13,774 ms: 559 ms - Load Menu Controls
14,333 ms: 104 ms - Init Custom Toolbar Buttons
14,437 ms: 146 ms - Init KS Functions
14,583 ms: 18 ms - Init KS Read
14,605 ms: 10 ms - List 1 Browse: C:\Users\User\Downloads\movies\
14,627 ms: 34 ms - Layout List
14,661 ms: 25 ms - Layout Status Bar
14,686 ms: 62 ms - --- Show Window ---
14,750 ms: 272 ms - Update Tags in UI Menu
15,022 ms: 77 ms - Init Menus
15,101 ms: 18 ms - Tabsets
15,127 ms: - Load Done

MaxiTree: Rows=6215, Nodes=6217, Expanded=308
Tree Remember State: Yes (242 stored paths)
Network on Startup: Browse=Yes, Reconnect=No, CacheServers=No, CheckForUpdates=No
Pane 1: Items=10/10, Pane 2: Items=4/4, Catalog: Items=1
Tagged Items in Database: 0


After turning ON (No network browse on startup/exit:

Loaded: 2026-09-21 12:33:41 in 2,932 ms
Threshold: 10 ms (shorter tasks are skipped below)

0 ms: 215 ms - Start Load
218 ms: 110 ms - Load Language
328 ms: 80 ms - Load Settings
408 ms: 26 ms - Init Custom File Icons
435 ms: 19 ms - Init Controls
454 ms: 135 ms - Init Graphics
589 ms: 13 ms - Init Tabs
602 ms: 46 ms - Create Info Panel
648 ms: 101 ms - Set Interface Font
749 ms: 20 ms - Init Panes
770 ms: 18 ms - Init Tree
801 ms: 19 ms - Init Tags
823 ms: 927 ms - Load Maxi Tree
1,750 ms: 12 ms - Go Start Path Expanded: Downloads\movies\
1,762 ms: 481 ms - Load Menu Controls
2,243 ms: 91 ms - Init Custom Toolbar Buttons
2,334 ms: 125 ms - Init KS Functions
2,459 ms: 15 ms - Init KS Read
2,498 ms: 36 ms - Layout List
2,534 ms: 23 ms - Layout Status Bar
2,557 ms: 35 ms - --- Show Window ---
2,592 ms: 257 ms - Update Tags in UI Menu
2,849 ms: 74 ms - Init Menus
2,932 ms: - Load Done

MaxiTree: Rows=6215, Nodes=6217, Expanded=308
Tree Remember State: Yes (242 stored paths)
Network on Startup: Browse=No, Reconnect=No, CacheServers=No, CheckForUpdates=No
Pane 1: Items=10/10, Pane 2: Items=4/4, Catalog: Items=1
Tagged Items in Database: 0

From where comes this information:
MaxiTree: Rows=6215, Nodes=6217, Expanded=308

I only have 2 or 1 tab open, do not need to expand all the paths in the history

[admin]

2) Your tree has 6217 nodes. Are all these nodes needed for your tasks? Otherwise I would think about using the Mini Tree.

What I mean by this: Your tree is pretty big. And it grows and grows because you ticked Configuration | General | Tree and List | Tree | Remember state of tree. If you don't need it that big, there are means to shrink it.

[gruber]

thanks, I already switched to mini tree and also have unchecked 'remember tree state', both give perfect load time