Visual filter suggestions

Post by **admin** » 21 Jun 2007 16:24

jacky wrote:
admin wrote:Following your recent English lesson:
"Filter by selected extensions" vs
"Filter selected extensions"
Hm. It might be correct English, but I'm not happy with it. Quite confusing for non English speakers...
Assuming that's correct English as well, would "Filter Selected Extensions In/Out" sound less confusing? Since the In/Out specifically indicates whether or not the selected extension will be shown or hidden...
Or "Filter by Selected Extensions" vs "Filter Selected Extensions Out" ?

I like "Filter Selected Extensions In/Out". What say the English experts?

Post by **j_c_hallgren** » 21 Jun 2007 16:53

jacky wrote:Or "Filter by Selected Extensions" vs "Filter Selected Extensions Out" ?

These two work for me, as the second is clearly keeping them out and thus the first is keeping them in...but that was obvious, IMHO, already...

'Cause "Filter selected Ext In" doesn't quite do it for me...I know, English is weird...and I was never an English major either, but..it's my native lang.

Post by **admin** » 21 Jun 2007 18:06

j_c_hallgren wrote:
jacky wrote:Or "Filter by Selected Extensions" vs "Filter Selected Extensions Out" ?
These two work for me, as the second is clearly keeping them out and thus the first is keeping them in...but that was obvious, IMHO, already...

'Cause "Filter selected Ext In" doesn't quite do it for me...I know, English is weird...and I was never an English major either, but..it's my native lang.

Well, I have to trust you.

avsfan · Post by **avsfan** » 21 Jun 2007 18:15

What about something like "Show/Hide selected extensions" or "Show/Hide with selected extensions" -- though that doesn't include "filter" as part of it (though maybe the meaning is still clear...)

just a thought...

panorama · Post by **panorama** » 21 Jun 2007 19:26

j_c_hallgren wrote: English is weird...and I was never an English major either, but..it's my native lang.

Mine too and I agree.

But here it's not just English that's being weird. Filters are funny things. Sometimes they remove something we don't want (impurities in water) sometimes they collect something we want and let the rest pass through (pigments are retained by the filter and the rinse water and other unwanteds are gotten rid of).

Whatever. I'm like JC, I can handle filtering out, but NOT filtering in!

Yet, "filter by selected ext" would leave me wondering (like you Donald, I guess) whether we were filtering the extensions out or keeping them in!

This is also weird, but would toggling between filter "selected/unselected" or "desired/ undesired" or "wanted/unwanted" or somesuch add clarity and keep the notion of "filter" in the equation.

Or is this all a bunch of mental mast... and the previous label was clear enough for us all to figure out .... ?

Post by **admin** » 21 Jun 2007 20:21

panorama wrote:
j_c_hallgren wrote: English is weird...and I was never an English major either, but..it's my native lang.
Mine too and I agree.

But here it's not just English that's being weird. Filters are funny things. Sometimes they remove something we don't want (impurities in water) sometimes they collect something we want and let the rest pass through (pigments are retained by the filter and the rinse water and other unwanteds are gotten rid of).

Whatever. I'm like JC, I can handle filtering out, but NOT filtering in!

Yet, "filter by selected ext" would leave me wondering (like you Donald, I guess) whether we were filtering the extensions out or keeping them in!

This is also weird, but would toggling between filter "selected/unselected" or "desired/ undesired" or "wanted/unwanted" or somesuch add clarity and keep the notion of "filter" in the equation.

Or is this all a bunch of mental mast... and the previous label was clear enough for us all to figure out .... ?

I agree, but I don't get what you are suggesting as caption.

BTW, I still can live with this very good:
"Show Only Selected File Types."
"Hide Selected File Types."
Okay, the word "Filter" is missing, so what?! The command is in the VF section of the menu, and after using it it becomes very clear that VF is in action. There is no mystery about that. And "Type"... okay, but "hide extensions" would be quite misleading.

Post by **admin** » 21 Jun 2007 20:22

avsfan wrote:What about something like "Show/Hide selected extensions" or "Show/Hide with selected extensions"

"hide extensions" would be quite misleading, since Explorer has the option to "hide extensions" meaning something very different.

avsfan · Post by **avsfan** » 21 Jun 2007 20:26

admin wrote:"hide extensions" would be quite misleading, since Explorer has the option to "hide extensions" meaning something very different.

Indeed. That's the main reason I added the "Hide *with* selected extensions (since hiding the extension itself is clearly NOT what is desired...)

Maybe "Hide items with selected extensions" could work...(?)

Post by **admin** » 21 Jun 2007 20:36

avsfan wrote:
admin wrote:"hide extensions" would be quite misleading, since Explorer has the option to "hide extensions" meaning something very different.
Indeed. That's the main reason I added the "Hide *with* selected extensions (since hiding the extension itself is clearly NOT what is desired...)

Maybe "Hide items with selected extensions" could work...(?)

Ah yes, I overlooked the with-version.

Yes, that would work nicely for me:
"Hide items with selected extensions"
"Show only items with selected extensions"

Problems anybody?

jacky · Post by **jacky** » 21 Jun 2007 21:11

admin wrote:Yes, that would work nicely for me:
"Hide items with selected extensions"
"Show only items with selected extensions"

Problems anybody?

Yes

Well, not really a problem but, why do you have a "only" in the show version ? Why not just "Show items with selected extensions"?

Ok, it'll show only those items, but that's assumed I think, I mean, what else could it do otherwise?? And it might lead to questions like, does that mean the "hide" options doesn't hide only items with selected extensions? So, would it keep hiding whatever is already hidden by a current VF??
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Post by **admin** » 21 Jun 2007 21:17

jacky wrote:
admin wrote:Yes, that would work nicely for me:
"Hide items with selected extensions"
"Show only items with selected extensions"

Problems anybody?
Yes Well, not really a problem but, why do you have a "only" in the show version ? Why not just "Show items with selected extensions"?

Ok, it'll show only those items, but that's assumed I think, I mean, what else could it do otherwise?? And it might lead to questions like, does that mean the "hide" options doesn't hide only items with selected extensions? So, would it keep hiding whatever is already hidden by a current VF??
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Now I have a problem: "Show items with selected extensions" sounds a bit stupid because these items are shown already of course else they could not be selected. Sigh!

panorama · Post by **panorama** » 21 Jun 2007 21:29

admin wrote: BTW, I still can live with this very good:
"Show Only Selected File Types."
"Hide Selected File Types."
Okay, the word "Filter" is missing, so what?!

I thought it was a problem to lose "filter".

Show only... or
Hide ...

does the job just fine and avoids any and all filter-related confusion, seems to me.

Gandolf · Post by **Gandolf** » 21 Jun 2007 23:34

Gosh! I didn't expect to start such a long discussion, so there isn't much for me to add. Just a couple of comments:

Keeping the "Filter by selected extension(s)" I think "Filter out selected extension(s)" rather than "Filter Selected Extensions Out". However, I like the Show/Hide versions, "Show Only Selected File Types" and "Hide Selected File Types".

jacky · Post by **jacky** » 22 Jun 2007 00:46

Gandolf wrote:However, I like the Show/Hide versions, "Show Only Selected File Types" and "Hide Selected File Types".

I'll just add I am strongly against using "(File) Types" here, since it's based on extensions, not types!

Post by **j_c_hallgren** » 22 Jun 2007 02:02

panorama wrote:Whatever. I'm like JC, I can handle filtering out, but NOT filtering in!

Yet, "filter by selected ext" would leave me wondering (like you Donald, I guess) whether we were filtering the extensions out or keeping them in!

Or is this all a bunch of mental mast... and the previous label was clear enough for us all to figure out .... ?

If "filter by selected extension" is seen only by itself, then it could or may be vague as to how it works...but as we are adding a "Filter out selected extension" (BTW, having 'out' as 2nd word is fine with me), right next to it on menu, then it makes it much more obvious (as I think I wrote before) that "by" will include the selected values...since one wouldn't have two options that do same thing together in a menu, right???

Now, while I do agree that these command are within the VF area, and thus filter is stongly implied, I'm convinced that having the word 'filter' makes it 100% clear that is the function that will be used to do it...which "show' and 'hide' do not, IMHO.