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^ Full Row Select (Flat View & Search)
I have "Full Row Select" (FRS) enabled, love it. However, I'm confused as to why the (column) Path in the List View (LV) isn't considered part of the FRS in the Flat View (FV) or Search results. I didn't find any references in the help or on the forum (could have missed it). What is the logic for this change in the LV paradigm when it's still a row? Is there some toggle I'm missing that would allow a true FRS in all LV cases? Thanks.
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Re: Full Row Select (Flat View & Search)
It's made so that every column left of the Name column is excluded from Full Row Select. This is to enable you to use the lasso even on Full Row Select.
That said, I personally don't care about Full Row Select, and I would not mind changing this. However, I have no idea what the average "Full Row Selector" expects... help me.
That said, I personally don't care about Full Row Select, and I would not mind changing this. However, I have no idea what the average "Full Row Selector" expects... help me.
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Re: Full Row Select (Flat View & Search)
Yes, very cleaver way of addressing the inherent lasso-full-row-select conundrum.admin wrote:It's made so that every column left of the Name column is excluded from Full Row Select. This is to enable you to use the lasso even on Full Row Select.
One of several reasons why I love XY is the Full Row Sellect (FRS) capability. The definitive selection of a row of data by selecting anywhere (whitespace) in the row is highly desirable. I have accepted and realize the lasso ability is typically lost from having the capability of FRS. I've found I can FRS with keyboard combinations and mouse selection highly complex data sets quicker and more accurate than combo-lasso selection.admin wrote:That said, I personally don't care about Full Row Select, and I would not mind changing this. However, I have no idea what the average "Full Row Selector" expects... help me.
I find the left of name column to have a significant negative impact on the FRS as the area to too large; good for lasso but not FRS. I have found the "Show Line Numbers" (SLN) to be a large enough area to provide for a lasso, if needed. However, I acknowledge, there may be other FRS users who might need a larger width than SLN currently provides. Perhaps a configuration capability to provide SLN width setting? OR An FSB setting for a 'lasso bar' in which the SLN would be 'overlayed' when active, and if the SLN isn't active the numbers wouldn't appear, just whitespace, this 'lasso bar' would help in all List Views (LV) beyond the 'Search results' and 'Flat View'. Furthermore, it makes for a completely consistent end-user experience across the LVs, FRS or not FRS. Perhaps the 'Lasso Bar' isn't even associated with the FRS as it might be helpful to some who would want or desire a consistent location for using the lasso. Just some thoughts...
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Re: Full Row Select (Flat View & Search)
I am not a Full Row Select user, but you can set Line number width from:
View | Tab | Columns | Set Line Number Column Width.
View | Tab | Columns | Set Line Number Column Width.
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Re: Full Row Select (Flat View & Search)
Sweet! Thanks! Makes me wonder what magic I'll learn in the coming months with XY and Company.serendipity wrote:I am not a Full Row Select user, but you can set Line number width from:
View | Tab | Columns | Set Line Number Column Width.
So effectively just the possibility of removing the 'left of name' zone in the 'Search results' and 'Flat View' modes. What are the thoughts?
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Re: Full Row Select (Flat View & Search)
I think you are right. FRS users are insane anyway IMO so I will give them the full load of they want.Zardoz2293 wrote:Sweet! Thanks! Makes me wonder what magic I'll learn in the coming months with XY and Company.serendipity wrote:I am not a Full Row Select user, but you can set Line number width from:
View | Tab | Columns | Set Line Number Column Width.
So effectively just the possibility of removing the 'left of name' zone in the 'Search results' and 'Flat View' modes. What are the thoughts?
Lasso Bar is a nice idea but I'm content with the Line Numbers column.
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Re: Full Row Select (Flat View & Search)
But now you've killed the ability to label-tag-comment from within the list with FRS enabled...admin wrote:I think you are right. FRS users are insane anyway IMO so I will give them the full load of they want.Zardoz2293 wrote:Sweet! Thanks! Makes me wonder what magic I'll learn in the coming months with XY and Company.serendipity wrote:I am not a Full Row Select user, but you can set Line number width from:
View | Tab | Columns | Set Line Number Column Width.
So effectively just the possibility of removing the 'left of name' zone in the 'Search results' and 'Flat View' modes. What are the thoughts?
Lasso Bar is a nice idea but I'm content with the Line Numbers column.
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Re: Full Row Select (Flat View & Search)
Wasn't aware of the "Line Number" column having the ability to be sized, nice. Frankly, It was difficult to find where I enabled the Line Numbering as I kept looking in the Configuration.admin wrote:Lasso Bar is a nice idea but I'm content with the Line Numbers column.
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I see what you are talking about, but why exactly is this a problem in your workflow once you have selected the item(s) (or otherwise)? You can see the color tags before selection. One would assume once selection has been made an action is going to be carried out immediately on the selected rows. Obviously, I don't see your concern. Please educate me. Thanks.Marco wrote:But now you've killed the ability to label-tag-comment from within the list with FRS enabled...admin wrote:I think you are right. FRS users are insane anyway IMO so I will give them the full load of they want.
Lasso Bar is a nice idea but I'm content with the Line Numbers column.
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Damn. I did not think of this. What now? FRS should be forbidden. It's only good for trouble.Marco wrote:But now you've killed the ability to label-tag-comment from within the list with FRS enabled...
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Honestly, I don't know what the limitation imposed would be.(My request for info from "Marco" below.) If it is the whole "tag" thing, then perhaps the "Column: Tag" could be the only one not included in the FRS when the 'Tag' column is placed on the extreme left?admin wrote:Damn. I did not think of this. What now? FRS should be forbidden. It's only good for trouble.Marco wrote:But now you've killed the ability to label-tag-comment from within the list with FRS enabled...
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Re: Full Row Select (Flat View & Search)
Too complex. I have read what zer0 linked to some days ago and one thing stuck: make the hard decisions. So, if you want FRS you get it. That's my hard decision.Zardoz2293 wrote:Honestly, I don't know what the limitation imposed would be.(My request for info from "Marco" below.) If it is the whole "tag" thing, then perhaps the "Column: Tag" could be the only one not included in the FRS when the 'Tag' column is placed on the extreme left?admin wrote:Damn. I did not think of this. What now? FRS should be forbidden. It's only good for trouble.Marco wrote:But now you've killed the ability to label-tag-comment from within the list with FRS enabled...
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I'm still confused. If your "hard decision" for FRS is across the entire row regardless of the List View, Great . I'm just making an inquiry as to what "Marco" was referencing with the "tags" as I don't see concern, but I'm a newbie and perhaps I'm missing something... I was under the impression the current FRS model was too complex and hence why I made my original post regarding Flat/Search. I'm working with you, I may be green with envy but please don't knockout those pearly whites.admin wrote:Zardoz2293 wrote:admin wrote:That's my hard decision.Marco wrote:But now you've killed the ability to label-tag-comment from within the list with FRS enabled...
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Sorry about being confusing. I wanted to say: It stays as it is now (current beta). FRS is FRS, no more exceptions for certain columns.Zardoz2293 wrote:I'm still confused. If your "hard decision" for FRS is across the entire row regardless of the List View, Great . I'm just making an inquiry as to what "Marco" was referencing with the "tags" as I don't see concern, but I'm a newbie and perhaps I'm missing something... I was under the impression the current FRS model was too complex and hence why I made my original post regarding Flat/Search. I'm working with you, I may be green with envy but please don't knockout those pearly whites.admin wrote:Zardoz2293 wrote:admin wrote:That's my hard decision.Marco wrote:But now you've killed the ability to label-tag-comment from within the list with FRS enabled...
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Current Beta is Beautiful. Thanks.admin wrote:Sorry about being confusing. I wanted to say: It stays as it is now (current beta). FRS is FRS, no more exceptions for certain columns.
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