tool bar buttons

[suslo]

tool bar buttons have 2 visual states: usual state and hovered/pressed state
is there a way to completely disable the displaying of that hovered/pressed state?
because i really don't like to see a button changing its appearence only when hover it

and because i have real troubles with the hovered/pressed state:
(not always at all but seldom) a button looks like pressed even after it was deactivated
for example, after i turned the 'sticky selection' off by pressing its button for the 2nd time

moreover, a tool bar button may begin to look like pressed after it was hovered
i speak about a situation when the cursor is already in some other place but a button still looks like hovered

[jupe]

Not exactly what you are asking for, but in the customize toolbar dialog, there is a Options button on the right, And if you change the style to "Windows Theme Style" it makes the button hover and pressed state much less dramatic.

edit: You could also change all the buttons that have a pressed state, into custom toolbar buttons and script their function, that way they wouldn't have a pressed state.

edit2: you could also change the toolbar background color, it may help with the look you are after,

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=17908&p=152284#p154957

[suslo]

thank you for the answer. "Windows Theme Style" is not a solution but it is better if it is enabled

custom toolbar buttons and script their function, that way they wouldn't have a pressed state

i have some custom buttons and they all behave like standard buttons. example of 1 custom button: on left click - #147
but i don't know what exactly should i add to the #147 so that the button was always displayed not in a pressed state

you could also change the toolbar background color

a) i tried to change the colour to DDDAD4. it is RGB-221-218-212 which i got from a small colour-related utility "pixie 4.1"
but DDDAD4 turned out to be not exactly the appropriate colour

b) main menu will have different background colour then (which is not good)

c) this is the most important aspect: buttons will still have the unwanted "pressed" effect
it can be described as a slight shifting of an image inside a button
shifting (to the right+down and then to the left+up) is seen clearly during the time you are clicking a button

[jupe]

i have some custom buttons and they all behave like standard buttons. example of 1 custom button: on left click - #147

#147 doesn't have a pressed state anyway, but if I create a CTB for instance for #481 (suspend autorefresh), and remove the inbuilt button, then that CTB doesn't lock down in a pressed state, but still performs the function, you could also do it something like this:

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 if (ctbicon() == "Apple.ico") {
  ctbicon("Apple_Half.ico");
 } else {
  ctbicon("Apple.ico");
 }
 #481;

which would change the toolbar icon, instead of having a pressed/unpressed state.

a) i tried to change the colour to DDDAD4. it is RGB-221-218-212 which i got from a small colour-related utility "pixie 4.1"
but DDDAD4 turned out to be not exactly the appropriate colour

play around with different colors then.

b) main menu will have different background colour then (which is not good)

if you don't like it, don't use it, I was just presenting an option.

i speak about a situation when the cursor is already in some other place but a button still looks like hovered

maybe you could make your cursor larger so you can see it and don't confuse the hover effect with the pressed state.

c) this is the most important aspect: buttons will still have the unwanted "pressed" effect
it can be described as a slight shifting of an image inside a button
shifting (to the right+down and then to the left+up) is seen clearly during the time you are clicking a button

When I say this keep in mind I am not the developer, but I think sometimes people have to accept some things, everyone can't always have exactly what they want, XY does provide a multitude of customization to try to accommodate as much as possible but some things just have to be lived with.

[suslo]

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if (ctbicon() == "C:\images\1.ico") {
  ctbicon("C:\images\1.ico");
 } else {
  ctbicon("C:\images\1.ico");
 }
 #147;

i tried this code and it changed nothing

[jupe]

The middle icon line needs to be a DIFFERENT icon, like the example I provided.

It can also be done like this:

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	$icon	= "Apple.ico";
	$icon_p = "Apple_Half.ico";
	ctbicon(((ctbicon() LikeI $icon) ? $icon_p : $icon));
	#147

If you want to test it as is, both those icons should exist in a standard XY installation, so just need to change the code to either of the examples I provided.

This isn't meant to stop the click state of a button! it will still look like it has been clicked, it is meant as an alternative for the pressed state, ie. instead of the button being locked down you get 2 different icons, one for the up state, and another for the pressed state, you either make the icons yourself, for example in different colors or different styles etc. or find pre-made ones.

For #147; it is useless because that function doesn't have a pressed state anyway, which you said was your whole problem, mixing up pressed state with hovered state, keep in mind if you use this icon swap code you will need to also add a check in the script for the state of the button, eg.

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if get("#800") {

you would need to look that up in the help file.

[aurumdigitus]

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 if (ctbicon() == "Apple.ico") {
  ctbicon("Apple_Half.ico");
 } else {
  ctbicon("Apple.ico");
 }
 #xxx;  //command to toggle

This is a great Tip/Idea! Much easier to see on a laptop in low light.

[suslo]

You could also change all the buttons that have a pressed state, into custom toolbar buttons and script their function, that way they wouldn't have a pressed state

now all my 49 custom buttons display just very short text. it is unfortunately limited to only 24 pixels
i would have certainly preferred to have: a) much more space for the titles, b) the ability to place the buttons inside not 1 but 2 or 3 rows

this question is quite important for me: what exactly should i add to each of my text button?
(so that it was displayed without the 'click state' effect which appears each time i click a tool bar button)

4 examples of my user buttons:

name: keep selected
icon: label:KS
on left click: #359

name: make not read only
icon: label:RO-
on left click: attrstamp("r", 4, "<allitems |>")

name: toggle files
icon: label:Fil-
on left click: filter "attr: d"

name: hide selected (no toggle)
icon: label:HS
on left click: #252; wait 10; #359; wait 10; #251

concerning this 4th example:
i tried many times but eventually failed to find a better/reliable way to add such possibility as 'hide selected items'
the closest variant is: filter "!<get SelectedItemsNames |>"
but for instance, if the task is to hide the folder named 05, this variant is also hiding the file 05.rar

[jupe]

This is just my opinion, and maybe the developer thinks differently, but asking for a button not to look like it is being clicked seems unreasonable, I doubt this is an option in any apps and AFAIK I have already suggested all currently available options regarding the locked down pressed state being more noticeable so as to differentiate it from the hover & click state.

As an alternative If you want the toolbar to have bigger labels, you can turn on Toolbar captions. more info:
https://www.xyplorer.com/release_18.90.php#TFS

i tried many times but eventually failed to find a better/reliable way to add such possibility as 'hide selected items'
the closest variant is: filter "!<get SelectedItemsNames |>"
but for instance, if the task is to hide the folder named 05, this variant is also hiding the file 05.rar

You could try it like this:

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	filter "!" . quote(<get selecteditemsnames '"|"'>); 

[suslo]

but asking for a button not to look like it is being clicked seems unreasonable

i think that everyone decides himself what things are reasonable or unreasonable
for example, my firefox has 39 text buttons placed on its bookmarks toolbar
there i have no unsightly separators and no limitation concerning the length of text
and there i also don't have any click effect. it looks and feels great (during years)

that bookmarks toolbar also contains 7 small image buttons (left side) and even not long address bar (right side)
image buttons also don't have any hovered/clicked effects. they look neatly and just work

I have already suggested all currently available options

1) in xyplorer i changed toolbar icons from images to text. and it turned out to be a substantial visual relief
so my previous post was not about "locked down pressed state" or "hover state"

2) i removed the menu bar and then i changed 1 line in the ini-file: ToolbarBackColor=FFFFFF
and now i don't see any "hover state"
the only real problem (for me) which is left here is the click effect. i'm not asking for enumerating the reasons to hide it or not to hide

i'm asking to help me to remove this click effect (which looks like slightly and ugly jumping piece of text)
if this effect is hard-coded, then users like us can do nothing. if it's not, then there's a chance

You could try it like this

thank you, it works. i knew that to force exact matches i should also quote a filter but all my quotes were not successful