XYplorer freezes, slow loading of thumbs

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Re: XYplorer freezes, slow loading of thumbs

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I have good results with BabelSoft MediaPreview
No hangs or big delays in XYplorer at least for me.
http://www.babelsoft.net/products/mediapreview.htm
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Re: XYplorer freezes, slow loading of thumbs

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May be of interest to get better performance of thumbnail creation.
My other File manager (Total Commander) displays thumnails almost instantly even for large amount of files.
There is an option to also use the internal thumbnails which are part of many jpg images.
So It creates thumbnails from a mix of Windows Explorer, the option above and the lister plugins of TC.
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Re: XYplorer freezes, slow loading of thumbs

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Regarding the problem with Icaros, @jupe seems to be right. I installed the latest k-lite version (15.6.0) without the Icaros 3.2.x versions (it got 3.1.x instead) and it worked fine so far for the files on the network storage for thousands of files.

I don't really know where it should be reported then. To K-Lite? To the Icaros team directly? Maybe both?
I tried looking a bit on Icaros and K-Lite forums quickly but didn't see any issue that seemed related.

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Re: XYplorer freezes, slow loading of thumbs

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If you choose High Speed at "Configuration | Preview | Thumbnails | Quality" uses Explorer's thumbnail machine, it's pretty fast and the quality is still okay All other Quality modes have better quality and uses native methods in XY. I think Explorer uses embedded thumbnails when possible (but who knows what Explorer does under the hood).

But XY has thumb caching, so even if it takes a while, it does so only once.

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Re: XYplorer freezes, slow loading of thumbs

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admin wrote: 01 Apr 2021 18:52 If you choose High Speed at "Configuration | Preview | Thumbnails | Quality" uses Explorer's thumbnail machine, it's pretty fast and the quality is still okay All other Quality modes have better quality and uses native methods in XY.
kinda offtop, but can you please clarify this more detailed. "High Speed" settings doesn't create own thumbs for XY-cache and uses only windows ones, or it still does create thumbs(if cache is enabled) just via Explorer methods?
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They share the same cache (a file called Thumbs.db in the same folder).

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admin wrote: 01 Apr 2021 20:03 They share the same cache (a file called Thumbs.db in the same folder).
share means only read or XY adds new thumbs too?
i ask cause i don't know what are my system thumb settings, but XY has High Speed and Cache Thumbs enabled, i don't see any Thumb.db in folders while at the same time observe cache folder of XY thumbs grows.(either i understand smth wrong or it's strange)
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XY uses a Windows thumb machine that reads and writes thumbs.db files.

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admin wrote: 02 Apr 2021 13:04 XY uses a Windows thumb machine that reads and writes thumbs.db files.
I made some experiments with fresh XY, High Speed thumbs and Saving Thumb Cahce On/Off - the only difference is that files in Thumbnails data folder stay or get deleted(as expected). But i see no any Thumb.db in this process anywhere. :eh: As i said, maybe i understood your quote above wrong, but i'd expect with mentioned settings either this files(Thumb.db) to be created, as if Explorer would be doing it, or no thumbs would be created/shown at all, as there is no Thumb.db in folder.
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Hmmm, made some tests now and I have to confirm that. :eh: But I was not dreaming this. Weird.

BTW, if "High Speed" is not fast enough you might try the "Fast" option. In the past it seemed to be faster on some systems...

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admin wrote: 03 Apr 2021 12:00 Hmmm, made some tests now and I have to confirm that. :eh: But I was not dreaming this. Weird.

BTW, if "High Speed" is not fast enough you might try the "Fast" option. In the past it seemed to be faster on some systems...
That Fast option is really much faster for me.
Thanks for the tip.
Btw. I always try to double click thumbnails of dirs inside of a list.
In other managers that open the dir as expected in XY it doesn't.
Is there any option to change that behaviour ?
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admin wrote: 03 Apr 2021 12:00 BTW, if "High Speed" is not fast enough you might try the "Fast" option. In the past it seemed to be faster on some systems...
speed is not a big deal for me(especially if caching is On), i just got interested in this mechanic of using native Win Thumb.db files, as it makes folders kinda more autonomous(like moving folder moves thumbs along without any extra-operations, and Explorer can use such database if needed)
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Horst wrote: 03 Apr 2021 12:42 Btw. I always try to double click thumbnails of dirs inside of a list.
In other managers that open the dir as expected in XY it doesn't.
Is there any option to change that behaviour ?
you have smth enabled about thumbs preview - i have most of these options enabled(like hold-click on folder to preview its thumb), but i still can double-click to open.
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Re: XYplorer freezes, slow loading of thumbs

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eil wrote: 03 Apr 2021 12:53
Horst wrote: 03 Apr 2021 12:42 Btw. I always try to double click thumbnails of dirs inside of a list.
In other managers that open the dir as expected in XY it doesn't.
Is there any option to change that behaviour ?
you have smth enabled about thumbs preview - i have most of these options enabled(like hold-click on folder to preview its thumb), but i still can double-click to open.
With a fresh ini I can double click a dir while viewing thumbnails but not in my config,
what is wrong ?
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Re: XYplorer freezes, slow loading of thumbs

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@Horst: If you have this enabled:

Configuration | Preview | Mouse Down Blow Up | Mouse Up on Folder Icons | On left mouse up

You need to double click on the folder name caption to enter a folder.

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