'Cut' folder icon doesn't stay greyed out

[elqasar2]

If I 'Cut' a folder, its folder icon becomes greyed out (dimmed).

If I switch to the other pane and then come back, the folder icon is still greyed out.

But if I switch to a different tab and then come back, the folder icon is not greyed out anymore. It made me question "is the cut folder still on the clipboard?". (the answer is "yes", it's just a bug with the display that causes the uncertainty)

[admin]

That's right. But this dim out was always meant only as a direct visible feedback on a cut-operation. Not a permanent mirror of the clipboard state. To turn it into the latter would cost performance and CPU. So, IMO, it can be left as it is.

[highend]

Mh, I would like to see the "correct" state of the cut out element as well, when coming back after a tab switch... Processor power is rather cheap these days

[admin]

Ok, ok. It will be better next beta...

[highend]

Thanks!

[elqasar2]

Thanks, much better in 20.00.0007. But when the clipboard is cleared, the current List that is in view doesn't automatically refresh (i.e. go back to being not dimmed).

Here is the test I did:

I cut a folder, ensuring that the icon goes dim.
I used an external tool to clear the clipboard contents.
Noticed that nothing changed in the List in XYplorer, i.e. the folder icon was still dimmed.
Switched tabs and then came back, and only then did the icon update to the correct status (not dimmed).

[admin]

You will like the next version...

BTW,

a) You might have noted that HIDDEN items use exactly the same icon-dimming effect, so that is not a very satisfying situation.
b) Why are cut items marked, but not copied items?

Well, the reason of both is that this is just an emulation of Explorer's behavior since the days of Win95 till today.

It might be the right time now to do better! (I just need an idea...)

[elqasar2]

You will like the next version...

All good in v20.00.0008

BTW,

a) You might have noted that HIDDEN items use exactly the same icon-dimming effect, so that is not a very satisfying situation.
b) Why are cut items marked, but not copied items?

Well, the reason of both is that this is just an emulation of Explorer's behavior since the days of Win95 till today.

It might be the right time now to do better! (I just need an idea...)

Agreed, I will also think about this and let you know if I have any ideas...

[admin]

I have an idea. Next version...

[elqasar2]

I like the new changes. I think they work well.

[Leito]

I have an idea. Next version...

Nice!

[autocart]

Hi Don,

I really like the new color markings on the left side for copy and cut. That defenitely is/would be an improvement.
However, now it seems that the icon-dimming effect is completely removed. Or did I see that wrong?
It would be nice, I assume, not just for me but also for new or irregular users (who are used to the icon-dimming effect), if the icon-dimming effect would stay in place and the color markings would be added on top of the icon-dimming effect. Then it would really be an improvement IMHO.

Plus, if I may add one more thing, since you are working on this whole thing right now, it would be icing on the cake if the clipboard and thus all cut or copy markings (color and dimm) would be cleared on Esc, in case one changes his/her mind.

Regards, S.

[Leito]

However, now it seems that the icon-dimming effect is completely removed. Or did I see that wrong?

That was done on purpose. From the changelog:

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v20.00.0009 - 2019-05-29 15:53
  +++ Clipboard Markers: Totally revolutionized how items are marked that are 
      currently in the clipboard.
      - Before, like in Windows Explorer ever since and still today, cut items 
        (Ctrl+X) were marked by a dimmed icon. However, the same effect is used 
        to mark HIDDEN items. So we have a semiotic clash (Is it cut? Is it 
        hidden? Is it cut and hidden?). Not nice.
      ...
      XYplorer now gets rid of all those issues:
      - They don't use an effect that's already used for something else but 
        employ a totally new way of marking but...

[autocart]

However, now it seems that the icon-dimming effect is completely removed. Or did I see that wrong?

That was done on purpose. From the changelog:

Code: Select all

v20.00.0009 - 2019-05-29 15:53
  +++ Clipboard Markers: Totally revolutionized how items are marked that are 
      currently in the clipboard.
      - Before, like in Windows Explorer ever since and still today, cut items 
        (Ctrl+X) were marked by a dimmed icon. However, the same effect is used 
        to mark HIDDEN items. So we have a semiotic clash (Is it cut? Is it 
        hidden? Is it cut and hidden?). Not nice.
      ...
      XYplorer now gets rid of all those issues:
      - They don't use an effect that's already used for something else but 
        employ a totally new way of marking but...

That's what I thought and I was asking if I understood it correctly. IMHO the *removal* of the dimmed icon effect is not a very good idea. Colors: yes! But please, in combination with the previous standard dimming.

[jupe]

I have to agree with autocart, I think you'll get lots of people that are coming from Explorer or other substitutes, wondering what is going on without keeping the dimmed effect in addition to the new coloring. As it is now, I'd anticipate many posts similar to autocarts above, from confused users in the future since the "normal" dimmed behavior is so ingrained in Windows users, and it seems a rarity that people read the changelog before making forum posts.