How about Total Commander like dual pane view?

[admin]

There goes the 2nd one within a few weeks... does the two-fools-rule apply? Hmmm... Or maybe the dual-fools rule??... Well, well, but I'm quite flattered by the subtle air of pathos that's left in the room when they are already out of the door.

[KyferEz]

I didn't say I wouldn't be watching the forums! I said I wouldn't use XY anymore!

So you like to name-call when you think someone's not watching... Interesting... Reminds me of how some people elevate themselves by putting others down...

[mwb1100]

Just to throw my 2 cents into this before it gets closed. JC's opinions on this pretty closely match mine.

[j_c_hallgren]

I didn't say I wouldn't be watching the forums! I said I wouldn't use XY anymore!

I suspect there may be a case when no other utility will do what you want, and you'll have to resort to XY!

Anyway, as I may have written before, if there were a choice in what new feature would best increase sales/usage, I would suspect DP would easily trump FTP, as that isn't needed by all users...same with full multi-language support, as users can get by if they have to in English...there's other similar items, but these are two I easily thought of.

Users are unique in their needs, and trying to build something that handles everyone is impossible unless you want a HUGE footprint (ala Vista) , so having those features that appeal to the most typical (potential) user is what's critical...there are SO many things that would still make XY unique and outstanding, so having DP as an option (not the default setup) should and would expand the market potential significantly.

And it wouldn't have to be as fully complete as that DOpus thing, but just a simple dual list with single tree would easily suffice for my needs.

[KyferEz]

Anyway, as I may have written before, if there were a choice in what new feature would best increase sales/usage, I would suspect DP would easily trump FTP, as that isn't needed by all users...same with full multi-language support, as users can get by if they have to in English...there's other similar items, but these are two I easily thought of.

Users are unique in their needs, and trying to build something that handles everyone is impossible unless you want a HUGE footprint (ala Vista) , so having those features that appeal to the most typical (potential) user is what's critical...there are SO many things that would still make XY unique and outstanding, so having DP as an option (not the default setup) should and would expand the market potential significantly.

I completely agree with everything you said, which is why, a while back I suggested adding the ability for an API and thereby allow plugins for xy, which was also rejected. But plugins is the way to go. It keeps the software small and allows much of the application's features to be separated into plugins, thus keeping the main app small and robust. It's likely a hugh amount of work (though depending upon how the app is written it may be fairly easy), but well worth it in the end IMO.

[serendipity]

But, as jc has *repeatedly* mentioned: A script will not work when files have no common attributes with which to compare them. It also doesn't work well when the common attributes are all different for different groups of files.

Only difference I see is seeing two screens against one. I can use F7 key in XY and achieve the same. Use of DP doesnt seem compelling in this case.

Then sometimes duplicates are created which MUST be manually weeded out so-as not to accidentally overwrite the better version (which may actually be the older file). MANUAL comparison is the only way to do it.

Yes, manual comparison can be done in one pane too. Just search the folders you want to compare and folders/files will be lined up one below other. You can sort it to your liking. And in any case, I said in my previous post that "find dupes" is in XY's roadmap. So one can hope that DP like interface will be there for "find dupes".

On occasion, files must be opened and looked at to determine the better one. This is not common, but it does occasionally happen and must be dealt with. XY is not efficient for doing this.

Why blame XY? No manager will open files and decide what is better for you. Again, nothing that DP can specifically do.

If there was a compare folders feature in XY which would list contents of both folders side by side, similar to how Kdiff3 does with text files, ( http://kdiff3.sourceforge.net ), and it would scroll both file lists simultaneously, I would be very happy with that. But that requires two panes, and coding that is MORE difficult to do that than simply give us dual pane.

OK, agreed on one point that both lists can be scrolled simultaneously. But that can be achieved in XY too (i guess, considering Don's skills).

I think Don and others (including myself) have no problems with DP itself. When XY can accomplish most of the tasks (pending some features like find dupes, sync) with its single pane why does one need double pane? For sure, i guess it isnt hard to implement DP, but just for its sheer popularity (bush is popular too: 10 years in office) some feature should not be implemented. From your argument above only the "simultaneous scrolling" feature of DP is missing in XY. But given the fact that not many of us use visual comparison very often makes the case of DP weak.

[KyferEz]

Only difference I see is seeing two screens against one. I can use F7 key in XY and achieve the same. Use of DP doesnt seem compelling in this case.

It's slower, and requires you to remember more to do the comparison - and my short term memory is very short! Slowness is a major issue in the case where all your ram is utilized in other apps you're working in - not as often now with my new pc w/ 4gb ram, but still happens). And pressing F7 is less efficient than DP.

Yes, manual comparison can be done in one pane too. Just search the folders you want to compare and folders/files will be lined up one below other. You can sort it to your liking. And in any case, I said in my previous post that "find dupes" is in XY's roadmap. So one can hope that DP like interface will be there for "find dupes".

Only if it has AI will will it work for the cases I have to deal with.

OK, agreed on one point that both lists can be scrolled simultaneously. But that can be achieved in XY too (i guess, considering Don's skills).

It certainly wouldn't work as well. Use KDiff3 and you will understand.

[j_c_hallgren]

Only difference I see is seeing two screens against one. I can use F7 key in XY and achieve the same. Use of DP doesnt seem compelling in this case.

When you can see them simultaneously without any keys, that is (to me as a mainly touchpad guy) definitely worthwhile!

Yes, manual comparison can be done in one pane too. Just search the folders you want to compare and folders/files will be lined up one below other. You can sort it to your liking.

I agree that manual compare can be done in one pane...but...IMHO, having tried it various times compared to x2, it's a real PAIN! And sorting is worthless when the names/attributes are so radically different.

Why blame XY? No manager will open files and decide what is better for you. Again, nothing that DP can specifically do.

I think he's saying that single pane XY makes it more difficult to easily view 'dual' files so user can view and decide.

"serendipity']I think Don and others (including myself) have no problems with DP itself. When XY can accomplish most of the tasks (pending some features like find dupes, sync) with its single pane why does one need double pane? For sure, i guess it isnt hard to implement DP, but just for its sheer popularity (bush is popular too: 10 years in office) some feature should not be implemented. From your argument above only the "simultaneous scrolling" feature of DP is missing in XY. But given the fact that not many of us use visual comparison very often makes the case of DP weak.

Just because we as current XY users may not use it very often doesn't mean that numerous potential users don't do so...

I'd also mention how when Apple finally allowed that "inferior" OS (Windows) to be used on their systems, their sales reported spiked up greatly...so if Apple finally gve in to the pressure of the rest of the market, why shouldn't XY give in a bit also?

(BTW, Bush can only have 8 yrs in office max! Not 10. )

[Jeff Bellune]

When XY can accomplish most of the tasks (pending some features like find dupes, sync) with its single pane why does one need double pane?

"..pending some features like find dupes, sync"

Don't hold your breath while these features are pending. DP was pending, too, until Don decided that he won't do it.

There goes the 2nd one within a few weeks... does the two-fools-rule apply? Hmmm... Or maybe the dual-fools rule??.

I think name-calling like that is beneath you, Don. I don't think it's Zen.

Suggestion for Don: Maybe the roadmap is a bad idea. Don't tell us what's coming. That way the new features will all be a pleasant surprise, and no one gets too disappointed or angry when their pet feature gets cut.

-Jeff

[PeterH]

Argh - forget it.
Don is wrong argumenting against users wanting DP. (But maybe it's understandable, that he's getting bit of angry...) I think there are different types of thinking and working, and you cannot say others way to work is "not so good".
But I think he has to do all work, and has to decide, what he wants to do. And noone knows what best - even if some think so.

It's ok that many people say there oppinion about DP, pro and con, but DP seems to be a theme, where some become ematinonal. And I don't think that's good...

So I would prefer to end this discussion for the moment - it will come up again, sooner or later
For now I think, all should calm down a bit?

[bergfex]

It's ok that many people say there oppinion about DP, pro and con, but DP seems to be a theme, where some become ematinonal. And I don't think that's good...

Well, at least it's always entertaining to watch the whole discussion from the back rows, isn't it...?

[j_c_hallgren]

There goes the 2nd one within a few weeks... does the two-fools-rule apply? Hmmm... Or maybe the dual-fools rule??.

I think name-calling like that is beneath you, Don. I don't think it's Zen.

Us "old-timers" know that Don's use of two-fools isn't name-calling, but just an uncommon expression...

[bergfex]

Us "old-timers" know that Don's use of two-fools isn't name-calling, but just an uncommon expression...

Yes, of course Don didn't want to offend anybody. It was just meant to be an analogy to the so-called "two-fools-rule" regarding wishes here in the forum (see here http://www.xyplorer.com/xyfc/viewtopic. ... ools#14386 for instance).

So, KyferEz and Jeff, you see, just a misunderstanding, no name-calling or something else.

[KyferEz]

So, KyferEz and Jeff, you see, just a misunderstanding, no name-calling or something else.

So how am I to take the "I'm quite flattered by the subtle air of pathos that's left in the room when they are already out of the door" comment???

Sounds as if it's meant mockingly...

[Jeff Bellune]

Us "old-timers" know that Don's use of two-fools isn't name-calling, but just an uncommon expression...

Lost in translation?

An American expression is: "Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference." (Mark Twain said that)

So forgive me if "fool" carries a negative connotation for me.

@KyferEz:

I agree - the comment sounds mocking. But...it may be that Don is genuinely pleased by the sympathy and support he gets after an ex-XY user proclaims their defection to other software.

Hey! ex-XY user - I like that!

-Jeff