Cool!!!nas8e9 wrote:With 8.50.0028 beta on Windows 7 x64 RTM, undelete works!
Not to put a damper on things, but: Change Log for the latest XYplorer BETA version (v8.50.0028, 27-oct-2009)?
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Deleting either 1, 2 or 6 files works. Also, deleting and undeleting a folder with files works.admin wrote:Anyway, please try again and send me your logs (unless it works! ). Also please try with 2 files, and then with 6 files (delete to Recycler from Vista/Win7 I mean). Also look at the action log if everything looks better now or still "unknown" all over the place...
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Completely OT, but VMware (Player is free; new version 3.0 will allow creating new VM's), VirtualBox, Microsoft Virtual PC with Internet Explorer Application Compatibility VPC Image?admin wrote:... no Vista/Win7 here, ...
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You mean why don't I run a virtual vista? Oh, I plan to do that. Just first have to install that software that doubles the hours per day.nas8e9 wrote:Completely OT, but VMware (Player is free; new version 3.0 will allow creating new VM's), VirtualBox, Microsoft Virtual PC with Internet Explorer Application Compatibility VPC Image?admin wrote:... no Vista/Win7 here, ...
(And no, I'd rather not have another editor thread...)
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OK, I further researched this. I don't see a way to determine whether a dropped file comes from Explorer, or WinZip or wherever it comes from. So I see these options to handle it:zer0 wrote:I have encountered a couple of issues, they revolves around extracting from ZIP files and undoing of such actions. As you may now, Windows XP/Vista/Win7 handle ZIP files natively, so they may be opened as a compressed folder in Windows Explorer. This leads to a hiccup with XYplorer.
To reproduce:
1. Open a ZIP file from within Windows Explorer.
2. DnD at least one (1) file from that ZIP file into XY's List.
3. Action Log shows a Move operation. Trying to undo this operation fails with no error message.
1) a config option to not log drops from other apps
2) a config option to log drops from other apps, but mark them as non-undoable
3) leave all as is and live with the cruel fact of life: not everything can be undone
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Windows 7 feels faster to me, both on real hardware as well as in a VM. The beauty of VM's is that they can run in the background (depending on CPU and memory; having a 64-bit OS with at least 4 GB helps), so after starting Windows Setup one can actually resume doing useful things.admin wrote:You mean why don't I run a virtual vista? Oh, I plan to do that. Just first have to install that software that doubles the hours per day.
Both Vista as well as Windows 7 can be installed without immediate activation or even entering a product key. They stop working after 120 days without activation , but for testing in a VM that's probably plenty.
Regarding memory: Windows 7 should cope with just 1 GB; I don't know whether you have 1 GB (preferably more, of course) spare on your machine. Also, dual-core is probably a must (especially with a compiler running as well). Finally, VM software is a drag on the HD; having a seperate physical disk connected by IDE or SATA is advisable.
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External disk via USB would be too slow I assume?nas8e9 wrote:Windows 7 feels faster to me, both on real hardware as well as in a VM. The beauty of VM's is that they can run in the background (depending on CPU and memory; having a 64-bit OS with at least 4 GB helps), so after starting Windows Setup one can actually resume doing useful things.admin wrote:You mean why don't I run a virtual vista? Oh, I plan to do that. Just first have to install that software that doubles the hours per day.
Both Vista as well as Windows 7 can be installed without immediate activation or even entering a product key. They stop working after 120 days without activation , but for testing in a VM that's probably plenty.
Regarding memory: Windows 7 should cope with just 1 GB; I don't know whether you have 1 GB (preferably more, of course) spare on your machine. Also, dual-core is probably a must (especially with a compiler running as well). Finally, VM software is a drag on the HD; having a seperate physical disk connected by IDE or SATA is advisable.
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If you delete 6 or more files, do you see ALL recycle bin names of them in the action log, or just the first 5 as in XP?nas8e9 wrote:Deleting either 1, 2 or 6 files works. Also, deleting and undeleting a folder with files works.
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I'm afraid so. External SATA (whether on the motherboard or by adding an eSATA PCI-E controller) would work however.admin wrote:External disk via USB would be too slow I assume?
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Delete followed by successful undelete:admin wrote:If you delete 6 or more files, do you see ALL recycle bin names of them in the action log, or just the first 5 as in XP?
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13:34:14.820 >> 4: J:\Tmp\Download\Doc\Win7InsideOut_Chapter2.pdf¿J:\Tmp\Download\Doc\Win7_InsideOut_EarlyContent_Ch21.pdf¿J:\Tmp\Download\Doc\Win7_RK_SampleChapter_23.pdf¿J:\Tmp\Download\Doc\Win7_RK_SampleChapter_29.pdf¿J:\Tmp\Download\Doc\Win7_SBS_EarlyContent_Ch1.pdf¿J:\Tmp\Download\Doc\Win7_SBS_EarlyContent_Ch2.pdf¿
13:34:14.861 >> SHCNE_DELETE, 1=58458176, 2=0
13:34:14.861 >> SHCNE_DELETE: J:\Tmp\Download\Doc\Win7InsideOut_Chapter2.pdf | Win7InsideOut_Chapter2.pdf | |
13:34:14.861 >> SHCNE_CREATE, 1=58458176, 2=0
13:34:14.861 >> SHCNE_CREATE: J:\$RECYCLE.BIN\S-1-5-21-1809554351-3682586006-3281551331-1001\$R121R0J.pdf | $R121R0J.pdf | |
13:34:14.861 >> mod 4: J:\$RECYCLE.BIN\S-1-5-21-1809554351-3682586006-3281551331-1001\$R121R0J.pdf
13:34:14.861 >> SHCNE_DELETE, 1=58458176, 2=0
13:34:14.861 >> SHCNE_DELETE: J:\Tmp\Download\Doc\Win7_InsideOut_EarlyContent_Ch21.pdf | Win7_InsideOut_EarlyContent_Ch21.pdf | |
13:34:14.861 >> SHCNE_CREATE, 1=58458176, 2=0
13:34:14.861 >> SHCNE_CREATE: J:\$RECYCLE.BIN\S-1-5-21-1809554351-3682586006-3281551331-1001\$RIE6FRB.pdf | $RIE6FRB.pdf | |
13:34:14.861 >> mod 4: J:\$RECYCLE.BIN\S-1-5-21-1809554351-3682586006-3281551331-1001\$RIE6FRB.pdf
13:34:14.862 >> SHCNE_DELETE, 1=58458176, 2=0
13:34:14.862 >> SHCNE_DELETE: J:\Tmp\Download\Doc\Win7_RK_SampleChapter_23.pdf | Win7_RK_SampleChapter_23.pdf | |
13:34:14.862 >> SHCNE_CREATE, 1=58458176, 2=0
13:34:14.862 >> SHCNE_CREATE: J:\$RECYCLE.BIN\S-1-5-21-1809554351-3682586006-3281551331-1001\$RXCBFEA.pdf | $RXCBFEA.pdf | |
13:34:14.862 >> mod 4: J:\$RECYCLE.BIN\S-1-5-21-1809554351-3682586006-3281551331-1001\$RXCBFEA.pdf
13:34:14.862 >> SHCNE_DELETE, 1=58458176, 2=0
13:34:14.862 >> SHCNE_DELETE: J:\Tmp\Download\Doc\Win7_RK_SampleChapter_29.pdf | Win7_RK_SampleChapter_29.pdf | |
13:34:14.862 >> SHCNE_CREATE, 1=58458176, 2=0
13:34:14.862 >> SHCNE_CREATE: J:\$RECYCLE.BIN\S-1-5-21-1809554351-3682586006-3281551331-1001\$RQ53KJZ.pdf | $RQ53KJZ.pdf | |
13:34:14.862 >> mod 4: J:\$RECYCLE.BIN\S-1-5-21-1809554351-3682586006-3281551331-1001\$RQ53KJZ.pdf
13:34:14.862 >> SHCNE_DELETE, 1=58458176, 2=0
13:34:14.862 >> SHCNE_DELETE: J:\Tmp\Download\Doc\Win7_SBS_EarlyContent_Ch1.pdf | Win7_SBS_EarlyContent_Ch1.pdf | |
13:34:14.862 >> SHCNE_CREATE, 1=58458176, 2=0
13:34:14.862 >> SHCNE_CREATE: J:\$RECYCLE.BIN\S-1-5-21-1809554351-3682586006-3281551331-1001\$RKSV0Z7.pdf | $RKSV0Z7.pdf | |
13:34:14.862 >> mod 4: J:\$RECYCLE.BIN\S-1-5-21-1809554351-3682586006-3281551331-1001\$RKSV0Z7.pdf
13:34:14.862 >> SHCNE_DELETE, 1=58458176, 2=0
13:34:14.862 >> SHCNE_DELETE: J:\Tmp\Download\Doc\Win7_SBS_EarlyContent_Ch2.pdf | Win7_SBS_EarlyContent_Ch2.pdf | |
13:34:14.865 >> SHCNE_CREATE, 1=58458176, 2=0
13:34:14.865 >> SHCNE_CREATE: J:\$RECYCLE.BIN\S-1-5-21-1809554351-3682586006-3281551331-1001\$R1QMNOL.pdf | $R1QMNOL.pdf | |
13:34:14.865 >> mod 4: J:\$RECYCLE.BIN\S-1-5-21-1809554351-3682586006-3281551331-1001\$R1QMNOL.pdf
13:34:14.865 >> SHCNE_UPDATEIMAGE, 1=58458176, 2=58458192
13:34:56.429 >> SHCNE_DELETE, 1=58589248, 2=0
13:34:56.429 >> SHCNE_DELETE: J:\$RECYCLE.BIN\S-1-5-21-1809554351-3682586006-3281551331-1001\$R121R0J.pdf | $R121R0J.pdf | |
13:34:56.429 >> SHCNE_CREATE, 1=58589248, 2=0
13:34:56.429 >> SHCNE_CREATE: J:\Tmp\Download\Doc\Win7InsideOut_Chapter2.pdf | Win7InsideOut_Chapter2.pdf | |
13:34:56.429 >> mod 4: J:\Tmp\Download\Doc\Win7InsideOut_Chapter2.pdf
13:34:56.462 >> SHCNE_DELETE, 1=58589248, 2=0
13:34:56.462 >> SHCNE_DELETE: J:\$RECYCLE.BIN\S-1-5-21-1809554351-3682586006-3281551331-1001\$RIE6FRB.pdf | $RIE6FRB.pdf | |
13:34:56.462 >> SHCNE_CREATE, 1=58589248, 2=0
13:34:56.462 >> SHCNE_CREATE: J:\Tmp\Download\Doc\Win7_InsideOut_EarlyContent_Ch21.pdf | Win7_InsideOut_EarlyContent_Ch21.pdf | |
13:34:56.462 >> mod 4: J:\Tmp\Download\Doc\Win7_InsideOut_EarlyContent_Ch21.pdf
13:34:56.492 >> SHCNE_DELETE, 1=58589248, 2=0
13:34:56.492 >> SHCNE_DELETE: J:\$RECYCLE.BIN\S-1-5-21-1809554351-3682586006-3281551331-1001\$RXCBFEA.pdf | $RXCBFEA.pdf | |
13:34:56.493 >> SHCNE_CREATE, 1=58458176, 2=0
13:34:56.493 >> SHCNE_CREATE: J:\Tmp\Download\Doc\Win7_RK_SampleChapter_23.pdf | Win7_RK_SampleChapter_23.pdf | |
13:34:56.493 >> mod 4: J:\Tmp\Download\Doc\Win7_RK_SampleChapter_23.pdf
13:34:56.531 >> SHCNE_DELETE, 1=58589248, 2=0
13:34:56.532 >> SHCNE_DELETE: J:\$RECYCLE.BIN\S-1-5-21-1809554351-3682586006-3281551331-1001\$RQ53KJZ.pdf | $RQ53KJZ.pdf | |
13:34:56.532 >> SHCNE_CREATE, 1=58589248, 2=0
13:34:56.532 >> SHCNE_CREATE: J:\Tmp\Download\Doc\Win7_RK_SampleChapter_29.pdf | Win7_RK_SampleChapter_29.pdf | |
13:34:56.532 >> mod 4: J:\Tmp\Download\Doc\Win7_RK_SampleChapter_29.pdf
13:34:56.563 >> SHCNE_DELETE, 1=58589248, 2=0
13:34:56.563 >> SHCNE_DELETE: J:\$RECYCLE.BIN\S-1-5-21-1809554351-3682586006-3281551331-1001\$RKSV0Z7.pdf | $RKSV0Z7.pdf | |
13:34:56.563 >> SHCNE_CREATE, 1=58589248, 2=0
13:34:56.563 >> SHCNE_CREATE: J:\Tmp\Download\Doc\Win7_SBS_EarlyContent_Ch1.pdf | Win7_SBS_EarlyContent_Ch1.pdf | |
13:34:56.563 >> mod 4: J:\Tmp\Download\Doc\Win7_SBS_EarlyContent_Ch1.pdf
13:34:56.601 >> SHCNE_DELETE, 1=58589248, 2=0
13:34:56.601 >> SHCNE_DELETE: J:\$RECYCLE.BIN\S-1-5-21-1809554351-3682586006-3281551331-1001\$R1QMNOL.pdf | $R1QMNOL.pdf | |
13:34:56.601 >> SHCNE_CREATE, 1=58589248, 2=0
13:34:56.601 >> SHCNE_CREATE: J:\Tmp\Download\Doc\Win7_SBS_EarlyContent_Ch2.pdf | Win7_SBS_EarlyContent_Ch2.pdf | |
13:34:56.601 >> mod 4: J:\Tmp\Download\Doc\Win7_SBS_EarlyContent_Ch2.pdf
13:34:56.611 >> SHCNE_UPDATEIMAGE, 1=58458176, 2=58458192
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Sorry, unsuccessful??nas8e9 wrote:Delete followed by unsuccessful undelete: ...admin wrote:If you delete 6 or more files, do you see ALL recycle bin names of them in the action log, or just the first 5 as in XP?
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Apologies, I meant successful. ( , followed by hasty edit...)admin wrote:Sorry, unsuccessful??
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You know how to shock devs...nas8e9 wrote:Apologies, I meant successful. ( , followed by hasty edit...)admin wrote:Sorry, unsuccessful??
But I did not mean the debug log but the action log window. When you select the delete action in the action log list, can you see the recycle bin names (the bottom list) of all items? In XP I get only the recycle bin names of the first 5 items for unknown reasons.
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Same on Windows 7: only the recycle bin names of the first 5 items are shown. The sixth item is shown as "(unknown)".admin wrote:But I did not mean the debug log but the action log window. When you select the delete action in the action log list, can you see the recycle bin names (the bottom list) of all items? In XP I get only the recycle bin names of the first 5 items for unknown reasons.
(Both reading as well as writing seem slightly off today on my part . )
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nas8e9 wrote:Same on Windows 7: only the recycle bin names of the first 5 items are shown. The sixth item is shown as "(unknown)".admin wrote:But I did not mean the debug log but the action log window. When you select the delete action in the action log list, can you see the recycle bin names (the bottom list) of all items? In XP I get only the recycle bin names of the first 5 items for unknown reasons.
(Both reading as well as writing seem slightly off today on my part . )
Okay, that's good (one thing where Win7 does not need extra code) and bad (more than 5 items will take longer on Win7 as well) at the same time.
Anyway, thanks, looks like it's fixed finally! I still wait for confirmation of any other VW user...
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"None of those" would be my answer Options 1) isn't a particularly good one, because it may raise users' eyebrows when they don't see those actions in AL. Option 2) is better than 1), because it logs those drops and marks them as undoable. Option 3) is the worst of the lot .admin wrote:OK, I further researched this. I don't see a way to determine whether a dropped file comes from Explorer, or WinZip or wherever it comes from. So I see these options to handle it:
1) a config option to not log drops from other apps
2) a config option to log drops from other apps, but mark them as non-undoable
3) leave all as is and live with the cruel fact of life: not everything can be undone
DnDing between XYplorer and Windows Explorer is of special importance [for Vista/Win 7 users] at the moment, because XY doesn't have its own copy/move operations yet. Therefore, I (likely not the only one) have to resort to using WE to do large amounts of copying. On the other hand, I have a feeling (can't test at the moment) that DnDing from WE into XY (on Win 7) won't result in the freezing that normally occurs, because WE is the originator.
Further muddling the waters are: a) DnD WE -> XY, undo in either fails b) DnD XY -> WE, undo in WE works, but in XY fails!
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